Larger oil filter option/s in here.

[apexanimal]

you've implied it several times in various threads... you've also implied that if you can't improve something by leaps and bounds its not worth it...

many people like to tinker for its own sake, and many like to modify their cars to improve it just a little bit - and thats okay... others like to modify their cars to look cooler/sound cooler (in their view) and that's okay too...

you're certainly entitled to your opinion of course and i'm not trying to censor you by any means, but it seems that you're so against any modification that isn't justified in your mind, coupled with the fact that you seem to be trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to modifications that have been done, documented, and shared through several different forums that are out there...

this is where i get a lot of my info and experience from if you would like to check in on them:
oil = bob is the oil guy, srtforums (for large filter benefits)
exhaust = nasioc (for piping id, length, and tuning), grassroots
ecu programming/timing/fuel tables = ptcrew, nasioc
wheels/tires/suspension = miataforum, ptcrew, srtforums

 

[ta240]

.... some people are obsessed with oil and filters....

and everyone needs a hobby they enjoy.

My question is just how many actual lubrication related engine failures are there anymore? Especially on cars that have the basic engine maintenance done on the regular schedule.
From everything I've seen the parts protected by engine oil aren't what typically do in high mileage cars. It is the intermittent problem caused by some sensor or any of the other thousands of parts that eventually get too expensive to diagnose and replace on an old car.

I've read in various threads on various forums about how this filter or that filter is junk but still have yet to see a picture of a filter that failed. Pictures of bigfoot, aliens, ghosts and blown apart oil filters are all elusive even in a time when everyone has a camera with them at every moment. I've seen plenty of cut open filters showing the construction of the filter but none of used filters cut open where the cheap cardboard end caps failed or the filter media came apart.

I know some filters are better built inside and some are bigger and some have larger openings for the oil to flow through and if it makes some sleep better at night with a different filter on their car then more power to them. I used to worry about that stuff too and eventually realized that overkill doesn't always improve things. Cars regularly go over 200,000 miles anymore even with cheap oil and cheap filters.

I've put a lot of miles on a lot of cars and driven several to the point where they were hauled off and crushed when I was done and none of them died due to metal on metal contact wear in the engine.

 

[apexanimal]

I found a great resource that dives into the differences between the different oil filter brands... Ill find and post it. Bottom line was that there are some that are better than others, but like most of the changes we talk about, it won't be a huge change... Maybe just a some peace of mind for some and the knowledge that you have one of the better ones

 

[MikeM.]

many people like to tinker for its own sake, and many like to modify their cars to improve it just a little bit - and thats okay... others like to modify their cars to look cooler/sound cooler (in their view) and that's okay too...

"Tinker" away - it's your car.

you're certainly entitled to your opinion of course and i'm not trying to censor you by any means, but it seems that you're so against any modification that isn't justified in your mind,

Think about what you just said - Why would I be in favor of a modification that I didn't believe offered any benefit?

coupled with the fact that you seem to be trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to modifications that have been done, documented, and shared through several different forums that are out there...

I haven't reinvented anything - I'm sticking to well tested and well documented solutions. The problem with performance hop-ups is that they are generally "documented" with dyno charts that are pure fantasy. Then we have wheel spacers installed for appearance reasons that introduce unintended negative handling, wear and efficiency issues. And let's not mention the ram air intakes that doesn't appear to do anything but bad things to the way the engine functions - even though they were marketed as increasing horsepower. Do it to your car but don't criticize me for not embracing and supporting lies driven by profit motive.

this is where i get a lot of my info and experience from if you would like to check in on them:
oil = bob is the oil guy, srtforums (for large filter benefits)
exhaust = nasioc (for piping id, length, and tuning), grassroots
ecu programming/timing/fuel tables = ptcrew, nasioc
wheels/tires/suspension = miataforum, ptcrew, srtforums

Excellent! With so much concentrated automotive engineering expertise you guys should quit your day jobs and start up an automotive company. I'm sure in no time you will be cranking out cars that put the CX-5 to shame. With oversized oil filters and oil breather catch cans, you should be able to rate your engines to 400,000 miles or so. Meanwhile I'll be stuck on the side of the road with a plugged oil filter and intake valves so fouled with crankcase blow-by that the tow truck driver will just shake his head wondering how I could drive a car that was so choked up. The joke will be on me.

 

[apexanimal]

mike, you're unwillingness to step outside of your own realm of experience and knowledge leads me to believe that you and i likely won't be able to have a fruitful conversation... i for one, will try to leave it at that.


in other news:

here's the link to the oil filter study (keep in mind this is for one particular type of vehicle, but by and large the trend will hold true):
http://www.gmtruckcentral.com/articles/oilfilterstudy.html

 

[V8toilet]

You guys have me laughing so hard I almost fell off my chair.

 

[madar]

You guys have me laughing so hard I almost fell off my chair.

...started out with some one trying to relay a helpful tip and ended up being circled by sharks..lol

 

[apexanimal]

FINALLY... i found the one i was looking for... the one i posted previously is a good one too...

this is the one i was thinking of however...

a large factor in what makes one filter more able to do its job is the amount of media in the canister... a larger one would only increase this:
http://www.bullittarchive.com/5000/5003/Oil_Filter_Cut-Away_Comparison_Kit.pdf

 

[MikeM.]

The OEM sizing for the CX-5 in Mobil-1's part number is a M1-108. Quite a small filter. It is also the same for the RX-8.

That is only the correct oil filter for RX-8's made before 2009. Mazda changed the lubrication system in 2009 and specified a different filter to better suit the characteristics of the new lubrication system.

With that said, a Mobil-1 M1-110 will fit perfectly fine. I have done it for years on my RX-8 and so have many. The male oil adapter for the RX-8 and CX-5 is the same. I test fitted one of my extra M1-110's today and it was perfect with zero clearance issues with the underbody aero cladding/s.

Be aware that there is more to filter specs than physical fitment. There are many examples of filters that physically mate but that are a poor match for that application depending upon the design of the oil pump and lubrication system. One example, oil filters for different applications can have different pressure specification for the oil bypass valve. That is one reason why a manufacture might specify a new filter for a new application - even though an existing oil filter has the same physical fit. The filter specified for the CX-5 falls into this category. It is not uncommon for aftermarket filter manufacturers to erroneously cross reference an older design until they get around to designing and building a new model that meets the new specifications. Better filter manufacturers will not do this.

Wix has a long reputation as a top-tier filter manufacturer. I find it interesting that they would not cross reference the filter for the CX-5 until they released a new filter model late last year (#57002) even though they had older models that physically fit. Wix had filters that cross-referenced both the Mobil 1 filter you recommend as well as the earlier Mazda filter (pictured below) but they would not cross reference them to the CX-5 (presumably because they do not meet Mazda's minimum specs for the new engine). The new Wix filter remedies that and I would be comfortable using their filter on my CX-5 if that's what was available.

I wish it were as simple as "if it fits and it's bigger - it's better" but with engines becoming increasingly optimized for long-life and efficiency the filters need to conform to the demands of the new designs and, without knowing the details of every specification for a particular filter there is no way to be sure that it's suitable for the application.

 

[apexanimal]

^ helpful info

 

[CX-SV]

Yes, and certainly an excellent example of why some of us will not deviate from the oil filter recommended by Mazda in our CX-5.

 

[MikeM.]

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I'm interested in hearing feedback from the proponents of using a bigger oil filter that was designed for other engines in light of new info that shows the Skyactive engines have new oiling systems with a new specification for a filter with a higher bypass pressure. Do you guys stand by your statements that there is nothing different or special about the CX-5 engine that would preclude the use of filters for other applications? I don't think anyone would want their filter going into bypass mode - bypass mode is intended as a last resort.

It's been awfully quiet since the new info was posted. Maybe this should be stickied since there are a lot of filters that physically fit the CX-5 but not all of them have the same internal specifications. I'm sure those who do their own maintenance would want to be aware of various fitment concerns.

Be aware that there is more to filter specs than physical fitment. There are many examples of filters that physically mate but that are a poor match for that application depending upon the design of the oil pump and lubrication system. One example, oil filters for different applications can have different pressure specification for the oil bypass valve. That is one reason why a manufacture might specify a new filter for a new application - even though an existing oil filter has the same physical fit. The filter specified for the CX-5 falls into this category. It is not uncommon for aftermarket filter manufacturers to erroneously cross reference an older design until they get around to designing and building a new model that meets the new specifications. Better filter manufacturers will not do this.

Wix has a long reputation as a top-tier filter manufacturer. I find it interesting that they would not cross reference the filter for the CX-5 until they released a new filter model late last year (#57002) even though they had older models that physically fit. Wix had filters that cross-referenced both the Mobil 1 filter you recommend as well as the earlier Mazda filter (pictured below) but they would not cross reference them to the CX-5 (presumably because they do not meet Mazda's minimum specs for the new engine). The new Wix filter remedies that and I would be comfortable using their filter on my CX-5 if that's what was available.

I wish it were as simple as "if it fits and it's bigger - it's better" but with engines becoming increasingly optimized for long-life and efficiency the filters need to conform to the demands of the new designs and, without knowing the details of every specification for a particular filter there is no way to be sure that it's suitable for the application.

 

[paris1]

Let it lie MikeM.

 

[apexanimal]

mike is s-trolling...

where can we discover different bypass ratings on different filters?


i'm still okay with using a larger filter... i change my filter and oil on a regular basis so i'm not worried a whole lot about the bypass pressure, the extra media will help to trap more contaminants (so even if the new bypass is lower, it'll still be able to hold more contaminants)...
imho, what's important to choose a filter that is well built and change the oil/filter on a regular basis...

 

[SayNoToPistons]

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I'm interested in hearing feedback from the proponents of using a bigger oil filter that was designed for other engines in light of new info that shows the Skyactive engines have new oiling systems with a new specification for a filter with a higher bypass pressure. Do you guys stand by your statements that there is nothing different or special about the CX-5 engine that would preclude the use of filters for other applications? I don't think anyone would want their filter going into bypass mode - bypass mode is intended as a last resort.

It's been awfully quiet since the new info was posted. Maybe this should be stickied since there are a lot of filters that physically fit the CX-5 but not all of them have the same internal specifications. I'm sure those who do their own maintenance would want to be aware of various fitment concerns.

The reason for a lack of reply is because I am in the process of obtaining info from manufacturing manuals of the CX5 concerning the exact reasons why that must the exact OEM filter be used. Mazda hasn't made a comment concerning bypass ratings for these all new SkyA Oil Filters (PE01-14-302).

So yes, use the same PE01 filter for now if you want to be "safe".

 

[CX-5um]

mike is s-trolling...

where can we discover different bypass ratings on different filters?


i'm still okay with using a larger filter... i change my filter and oil on a regular basis so i'm not worried a whole lot about the bypass pressure, the extra media will help to trap more contaminants (so even if the new bypass is lower, it'll still be able to hold more contaminants)...
imho, what's important to choose a filter that is well built and change the oil/filter on a regular basis...

Imho, a larger oil filter with more filtration surface could provide benefits if one were to go long intervals between oil changes (7k+ miles). I've got oil filter size low on the totem pole of oil change concerns though. The actual type of oil used, interval period, proper oil filter element, oil flow, ect. ranks higher. Plus the dealership factor. One alternate idea would be to use magnetic drain plugs to keep heavier dense oil sludge full of tiny metalic shavings at bay. Or maybe strap a magnet to the actual oil filter.

 

[erhayes]

Since the genuine oil filter from Mazda for the CX5 is not over priced and is obviously engineered for the engine, I see no reason to use anything else. Big is not necessarily better in this case. Ed

 

[MikeM.]

Mazda has a new oil filter that supersedes the old one and is applicable only to the 2.0L and 2.5L Skyactiv engines (all of them).

Filter PE01-14-302A supersedes PE01-14-302. Mazda has not said what they have changed with the new part and I probably won't be taking my time to cut them open and look myself (they are the same dimensions as the old filter).