Sue Mazda?

BlkZoomZoom said:
Things break, regardless of a wear item or a bad design or whatever, they break. s*** happens.

Absolutely, things break. No question. Engineers can't think of everything and sometimes, try as they might, the design has some flaw. I used to have a manual ' 65 corvair which would flex its clutch cable back and forth with each gear shift. The design of the clutch pedal connection to the cable was pretty bad. After 10k miles or so the cable would snap off at the top of the clutch pedal lever. That problem annoyed untold thousands of corvair owners but as far as I recall nobody ever sued GM over it. That's because it was a minor annoyance - if the cable broke you had to speed shift home, or more likely, get towed, but the repair wasn't very expensive and there was no permanent damage.

At the other end of the spectrum there are life threatening failures. You know the ones: cars burst into flames, wheels fall off, brakes fail. Those end up in recalls.

The screws fall in the middle ground. They aren't going to kill anybody but they are costing P5 owners some serious money if they are unlucky enough to have the screws fall out after the warranty expires. The galling part is that any first year autoshop student could tell you that no part of the intake manifold should be capable of coming loose and being sucked into the motor. So if a company like Mazda is going to sell a car where bits of the intake manifold do, in fact, come loose, and then break various expensive parts downstream, then they really should step up and deal with the problem. Customers expect a minimal level of engineering and assembly competence from a company like Mazda, so as you can see in this thread, they get more than a little pissed when a boneheaded design results in a thousand dollar repair bill.
 
pasadena_commut said:
The screws fall in the middle ground. They aren't going to kill anybody but they are costing P5 owners some serious money if they are unlucky enough to have the screws fall out after the warranty expires. The galling part is that any first year autoshop student could tell you that no part of the intake manifold should be capable of coming loose and being sucked into the motor. So if a company like Mazda is going to sell a car where bits of the intake manifold do, in fact, come loose, and then break various expensive parts downstream, then they really should step up and deal with the problem. Customers expect a minimal level of engineering and assembly competence from a company like Mazda, so as you can see in this thread, they get more than a little pissed when a boneheaded design results in a thousand dollar repair bill.

(mswerd)
 
it wasn't a design issue really, it was a problem in the manufacturing process for a small period of time...

get off it and get on with your life, s*** happens, and often times it cost money to clean up
 
Well I guess Mazda really loves you guys...

Ahem...recall...ahem... You didn't hear it from me.

DO NOT CALL THE DEALERSHIP YET. NO ONE HAS ANY INFORMATION YET. BE PATIENT, I WILL TRY TO GET MORE INFORMATION ASAP.
 
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No s***!?!? That would be a huge relief! Anyway, keep us posted. And how did u find out abt it?
 
BlkZoomZoom said:
Well I guess Mazda really loves you guys...

This might explain the observation mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread that there are an unusually large number of intake manifolds sitting in the warehouses.

If Mazda steps up and deals with this problem they'll probably come out positive financially in the long run. Mazda already has a well earned reputation for building reliable cars. (Also a slightly less than stellar rep for dealing with warranty issues, but that's probably mostly a dealer by dealer issue.) It would actually enhance the company's reliability image if they fixed this problem, which is a rare instance where they messed up. When it comes to cars people tend to buy what they trust. So spending now to rebuild trust should result in an increase in future sales.
 
I know the affected cars come from the Hofu plant ( number 1 in VIN - 7th digit from right) in 2003. What production dates/months & or VIN numbers are the affected ones? I keep waiting, keep asking, keep looking for this info. Does anybody know more than "a small number of 2003's from the Hofu plant" ?
 
We haven't gotten any paperwork on it yet. It hasn't been offically released yet. All I know is what I was told over the phone and the parts kit I saw.

Like I said, when I know more I will let you guys know.
 
BlkZoomZoom said:
They are not replacing the manifolds.

Repairing them then?

It's hard to see how they could address the problem without removing the intake manifold. After that it's either replace it with a known good manifold (which you say isn't happening) or glue down the existing screws in place somehow so that they cannot fall out.
 
t3ase said:
Guys, the Protege has reached the end of it's line. Honestly, it's going to take a HUGE safety defect to cause a recall. An engine problem will not.

Everyone on here's aware of the problem so if you get to the point of hearing symptoms, go to the dealership and have a good attitude.

It is a recall.

The kit had every single intake manifold gasket and all the VICS screws with a locktite type coating on them.
 
BlkZoomZoom said:
It is a recall.

The kit had every single intake manifold gasket and all the VICS screws with a locktite type coating on them.
I stand corrected. Maybe I should read the thread before replying next time.
 
lol, been there. Anyway, BlkZoomZoom, how are u getting this info if you don't mind me asking? U work at a dealership?
 
I am a Mazda tech.
I walked into the parts dept. this morning and saw a bag with a bunch of intake gasket kits for a 2.0 then I noticed a whole mess of very tiny screws with locktite on them. I then read that it is for a upcoming recall for the Proteges.
Thats all I know at this point. There hasn't been a offical release yet, just be patient and when Mazda is ready they will get in contact with the people that need to be contacted.
 
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Ok, cool. I about figured as much, I was just curious as to the source of ur info. Not calling BS or anything, but just makin sure
 
BlkZoomZoom said:
It is a recall.

The kit had every single intake manifold gasket and all the VICS screws with a locktite type coating on them.

Are the VTCS screws being replaced as well?

Seems like 99% of the cost of this recall is going to be paying for the time it takes to remove the manifold, take it apart, put it back together again, and then reinstall it. As long as the manifold is off and open the tech might as well take a minute or two to dab loctite on the VTCS screws too.
 
Never had a VTCS screw come loose. However they may very well have us do that, I won't know until they actually tell us that they have a recall for it.
 
BlkZoomZoom said:
Never had a VTCS screw come loose. However they may very well have us do that, I won't know until they actually tell us that they have a recall for it.

Kind of funny...Variable Tumble Control Solenoid...

That is THE thing the screws fell out of.

I have the documentation copied from the dealer.
 

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