Nocturnalspeed's Welcome & Build Thread

[shane02pro5]

Rc750's steady idle but 10.5afrs...have a bad feeling the seldom and totally random stalling out is going to get worse as the weather warms up.

 

[sandspeed]

Rc750's steady idle but 10.5afrs...have a bad feeling the seldom and totally random stalling out is going to get worse as the weather warms up.

Same here shane, right now she purrs at between 880-1000rpms on the dot but yea the humid weather is going to soon be an issue.
Shane I know you've got the FA10, you should upgrade to (AEM EMS-4) if budget allows of course or buy my E6X when its out of the car. The AEM software tuning capabilities make my E6X seem limited but still very capable ems....haha ya, but my car runs and boosts fine on the E6X I just want a perfect tune I'll let you know how it works out because i'm wiring it up this week and street tuning again at 10psi.
If you want more information pm me and i'll send you the link to where i purchased it with a nice discount "code." I literally bought it from my tuner Jay's shop, a certified AEM tuner. Nice guy too.

 

[shane02pro5]

Upgrading ems is definitely on my list but not for a while til I have the funds... most likely next years income tax return .

 

[NocturnalSpeed]

Alright guys, I'm going to go ahead and purchase some 440cc injectors for the time being. All of you veteran cats have me worried, haha. When I get my final build underway I'll figure out what size injectors I need when the time comes.

Thanks again for you'll opinions on the matter.

 

[sandspeed]

Sounds good David, since your're still rocking the stock turbo the 440cc's will be perfect at 15 or 16psi. My guess,its the max amount of boost to you want run on a GT25R. Anywhere past that blows hot air and might screw up the turbo. Have fun and definitely have Sam the Man' tune your msp up!!

Upgrading ems is definitely on my list but not for a while til I have the funds... most likely next years income tax return

Word. I here yea man. You've done a great job tuning with just with fuel control and the J&S, i give you mad props for that.Plus, I love the fitment with the 18s on you're P5 (thumb) I need to see some clean engine bay pics shane..!!

I'm selling a lot of parts right now that will actually pay for my new ems, so yay for me and good for the said people getting my nice parts for good prices

 

[NocturnalSpeed]

Yeah I'm really excited!

I've been waiting for this moment since December of last year. There were just so many set backs due to the holiday's. I'm shooting for 250whp with the Turbo back exhaust. What psi I reach, it is what it is. Then my plan is to open the electronic cutout and see if I gain extra horses. If the a/r changes; which I'm hoping for, we'll tune for a second map. I really due hope the cutout will have some power gains over the straight 3" exhaust system or it was a waste of money If my experiment doesn't work out then at least it'll sound cool with it open lol

 

[sandspeed]

Yeah I'm really excited!

I've been waiting for this moment since December of last year. There were just so many set backs due to the holiday's. I'm shooting for 250whp with the Turbo back exhaust. What psi I reach, it is what it is. Then my plan is to open the electronic cutout and see if I gain extra horses. If the a/r changes; which I'm hoping for, we'll tune for a second map. I really due hope the cutout will have some power gains over the straight 3" exhaust system or it was a waste of money If my experiment doesn't work out then at least it'll sound cool with it open lol

What type of dyno? Mustang or dynojet? I ask because the mustang will read lower numbers but be slightly more accurate to true wheel to the ground power. Dyno tuning is just merely a tool and if Sam is you're tuner than 250whp is easily possible with either full turboback or exhaust dump. Either way you're fine.
Numbers are numbers, big deal is what i say. It's how well the car drives and how well tuned the maps are for open and closed loop tuning...etc. Drive-ability is important and than again so is lots of boost on the stock turbo ... hahha

 

[Signature Sound]

The pig rich idle is needed to keep the car running at low rpm's because of the batch firing. The ability to fire sequential and adjust the phase angle would make it idle at 14.5. The E6X has the ability to do this, just needs to be tuned to make it happen. The 626 exhaust cam gear has the single pole needed for the home signal so that has to be changed too. The stock Protege exhaust cam gear has 3 home signals on it. I tried grinding two off them to see if it would work, but its position is too far off and made it run like s***.

 

[NocturnalSpeed]

What type of dyno? Mustang or dynojet? I ask because the mustang will read lower numbers but be slightly more accurate to true wheel to the ground power. Dyno tuning is just merely a tool and if Sam is you're tuner than 250whp is easily possible with either full turboback or exhaust dump. Either way you're fine.
Numbers are numbers, big deal is what i say. It's how well the car drives and how well tuned the maps are for open and closed loop tuning...etc. Drive-ability is important and than again so is lots of boost on the stock turbo ... hahha

No sure what dyno we'll be using. I'm sure Sam has a particular one he goes to, but I'll ask him soon.

haha, tell me about! I'm sure Sam will be pushing me to let him tune it @ 15 or 16psi. I'm worried about it blowing tbh. The car just rolled over 90k!

The pig rich idle is needed to keep the car running at low rpm's because of the batch firing. The ability to fire sequential and adjust the phase angle would make it idle at 14.5. The E6X has the ability to do this, just needs to be tuned to make it happen. The 626 exhaust cam gear has the single pole needed for the home signal so that has to be changed too. The stock Protege exhaust cam gear has 3 home signals on it. I tried grinding two off them to see if it would work, but its position is too far off and made it run like s***.

I wish I knew what you were talking about haha. Only thing I pretty much got from this is, the E6X has the ability to fire sequential... so the Haltech Sprint 500 will not be able to fire sequential and adjust phase angle? Does Sam know about all this? Will this help @ high end horsepower or what?

 

[CitizenPro]

Your fine David, Sam can control the injectors pretty well with this unit.

Haltech Sprint 500

Engine Suitability:
1 to 8 Cylinder engines
Normally Aspirated or forced induction
Load sensing by throttle position or manifold pressure (MAP)
Sequential, semi-sequential, batch or multi-point injection patterns
Distributor ignition systems or multi-coil systems
Trigger Types:
Hall Effect
Optical
Inductive Magnetic Reluctor
Trigger Patterns:
Single Pulse per cylinder
Multi-tooth
Bosch Motronic
Ford
GM
Honda
Mazda
Mitsubishi
Nissan Optical
Subaru
Toyota
Volkswagen
Features:
Windows 2000, XP, Vista compatible software
Real time programming, instant hesitation free adjustment while engine is running
Fully user definable 16 x 16 mapping
Tuning via Volumetric Efficiency (VE), Injection time
Selectable onboard internal MAP sensor rated to 150kPa (up to 1.5 Bar or 22psi boost)
USB and CAN Communication Port
Custom sensor calibaration allows for most factory sensors to be used
2 x User programmable outputs
ECU Fixed Outputs:
4 x Fuel Injector outputs (for high impedance injectors only (ie: above 8Ω)
4 x Ignition outputs
Tacho
Thermo Fan
Fuel Pump
ECU Programmable Outputs:
2 x Programmable Outputs
ECU Inputs:
Air Temperature
Aux Rev Limiter
Coolant Temperature
Manifold Absoloute Pressure
Roadspeed
Throttle Position
O2 Sensor (Narrowband or Wideband)
Functions:
CAN Communication
O2 Control
Over Boost
Gear Setup
Decel Cut
Transient Throttle Enhance
Rev Limiter
Correction Tables: Fuel / Ignition:
Air Temp Correction
Barometric Correction
Coolant Temperature Correction
Injector Dead Time
Map Correction
Post Start
Prime Pulse
Wide Open Throttle
Zero Throttle

 

[Signature Sound]

He's Billy Bad Ass for this car. You're in good hands with him. Just be sure to mention it to him. The phase angle for injector firing is just to make the injectors fire when the valves are open for optimal atomizing. Basically, its like spark plug firing at the right time, only with injectors. To tune it, you just get all your other maps dialed in, then adjust the injector phase angle until the car goes as rich as possible. Thats the ideal injector phase angle. Then scale back your other maps until Stoich. This will make the motor most efficient at ALL power levels. So definitely make sure it happens.

 

[NocturnalSpeed]

^ WILL DO!!

Thanks man. I want everything to be perfect. From all the help I'm gathering from you guys, I'll definitely put it in my plan for the present/future build.

 

[CitizenPro]

Installed some goodies on David's MSP this past weekend.....

Nk2a's Bumper sag fix!
Samco IC hose (black)
JayRacing Fuel Rail kit
HKS EVC-S....sorry no pictures
Walbro Fuel Pump.....sorry no pictures again

BEFORE!

AFTER!!!!

And of course the updated pic of the engine bay with the black Samco hose installed, and Aeromotive FPR with Jay's Fuel Rail...

 

[Pirana]

Looking very nice! whats the fix for the bumper sag?

 

[nk2a]

looks damn good! glad they worked out - braided lines look equally as good also on my list

 

[CitizenPro]

I'm sure David appreciates the warm comment's.

Vic - Check nk2a's sig

Noah - Yea, we liked the braided lines. I just need to fab up a bracket for the FPR, its zip tied at the moment. Ohh, and the bracket's bolted up in minutes with no issues.......zero drilling as well! Thanx

 

[NocturnalSpeed]

I'm not sure how in the world those brackets fixed the corner of the bumper near the headlight, but it somehow did. Great product Noah (thumb)

Thanks, Vic

Things have really SLOOOOOW'ed down these past couple months. There isn't much else to do besides getting my car tuned, which seems to be a pain in the ass to do.

 

[nk2a]

no prob! you're not running whippers?

 

[NocturnalSpeed]

no prob! you're not running whippers?

lol - direct quote from CitizenPro, "less weight homie"

 

[nk2a]

nice - mine are on the way out as well - you to much of a puss to roll around TX without air?