MAZDASPEED6 AWD=Bad? why
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jersey_emt
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From what I've heard, the AWD system in the MS6 will not be full-time AWD. It will be front wheel drive, and when the system senses the front wheels slipping, it will transfer torque to the back wheels.
Also IIRC the maximum torque that can be sent to the rear wheels is a rather low percentage.
This is unlike the AWD systems in, say, the Subaru WRX and STi. Both of them are full-time AWD systems, with the regular WRX splitting torque 50/50 front and back, and the STi sending 35% to the front, and 65% to the rear.
Also IIRC the maximum torque that can be sent to the rear wheels is a rather low percentage.
This is unlike the AWD systems in, say, the Subaru WRX and STi. Both of them are full-time AWD systems, with the regular WRX splitting torque 50/50 front and back, and the STi sending 35% to the front, and 65% to the rear.
jersey_emt
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So basically, from what I've heard, it sounds like the MS6 will get most of the disadvantages of an AWD system (weight, power loss) yet very few of the advantages.
Bass Addict
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I'm not surprised.
jersey_emt
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MnDriver said:
Have you ever driven a good-handling true AWD car? Or at least a good-handling RWD car?
I mean yeah, it's going to be faster, and handle better than a 6s...but probably not all that much better or faster.
xtrememps said:Too bad the ms6 won't have a shitload of hp
270 is exactly 100 more than our car has. It's no Ferrari but... yeah, in comparisson, I'd say it's a shiload!
Kind've blows if what you guys are saying is true about the AWD basically just being FWD unless the weather's bad... but at the same time, if this car is going to compete with the likes of the Maximas/TL's of the world (as a less expensive option mind you) those vehicles only have FWD so there's at least SOME benefit. Even still, it would be better if it had a full time system.
well the car sounds to me like its going to be fast nolonger a V6 but a turbo i4 with 274 hp and 280 lb of toruqe BTW i have a supra and i hate RWD lol dunno why its fun but were i live its not the best thats why im looking at a AWD speed 6 when it comes out.
Here's the portion of one of Mazda's press releases as it pertains to the AWD:
All-New Active Torque Split All-Wheel Drive System
The Mazda6 MPS is equipped with Mazda's new active torque split, all-wheel drive system. Based on the road-proven system of the Mazda6 available in some global markets, but featuring more aggressive transfer of torque to the rear axle on all road surfaces in accordance with driving conditions, the new all-wheel-drive system achieves a fine balance between sporty control over the car that makes it particularly fun to drive and handling stability on snowy or wet surfaces or under other challenging road conditions. Power and torque are faithfully and thoroughly transferred to the road surface for maximum efficiency and performance.
The system uses real-time input data on steering angle, yaw rate, lateral G force and engine status to determine road surface and driving conditions. The active torque coupling mounted in front of the rear differential is electronically controlled accordingly, adjusting front/rear wheel torque distribution between 100:0 and 50:50 to deliver optimum drive power to each wheel. The result is powerful acceleration and positive handling regardless of constantly changing road conditions, as well as the ability to fully balance the car in a turn by deft use of the accelerator pedal.
The Mazda6 MPS's onboard computer automatically determines driving and road conditions so the driver can relax and enjoy the pleasure of the drive. Three different modes of front/rear torque distribution are selected by the system: Normal, Sports, and Snow, (for slippery surfaces). The Power Take Off (PTO) system that that aggressively distributes torque to the rear axle is fitted with its own water-cooled cooling system.
A new rear differential with greater torque capacity is employed by the system to deliver a high level of reliability. Increased torsional rigidity of the propeller shaft and rear differential mount improves the response of torque transfer to the rear wheels and delivers a more rigid feel to the ride under acceleration. And a limited slip differential is used in the rear differential optimizes transfer of torque to the left and right rear wheels, realizing solid traction and linear vehicle control that delivers a stable feeling ride when cornering.
All-New Active Torque Split All-Wheel Drive System
The Mazda6 MPS is equipped with Mazda's new active torque split, all-wheel drive system. Based on the road-proven system of the Mazda6 available in some global markets, but featuring more aggressive transfer of torque to the rear axle on all road surfaces in accordance with driving conditions, the new all-wheel-drive system achieves a fine balance between sporty control over the car that makes it particularly fun to drive and handling stability on snowy or wet surfaces or under other challenging road conditions. Power and torque are faithfully and thoroughly transferred to the road surface for maximum efficiency and performance.
The system uses real-time input data on steering angle, yaw rate, lateral G force and engine status to determine road surface and driving conditions. The active torque coupling mounted in front of the rear differential is electronically controlled accordingly, adjusting front/rear wheel torque distribution between 100:0 and 50:50 to deliver optimum drive power to each wheel. The result is powerful acceleration and positive handling regardless of constantly changing road conditions, as well as the ability to fully balance the car in a turn by deft use of the accelerator pedal.
The Mazda6 MPS's onboard computer automatically determines driving and road conditions so the driver can relax and enjoy the pleasure of the drive. Three different modes of front/rear torque distribution are selected by the system: Normal, Sports, and Snow, (for slippery surfaces). The Power Take Off (PTO) system that that aggressively distributes torque to the rear axle is fitted with its own water-cooled cooling system.
A new rear differential with greater torque capacity is employed by the system to deliver a high level of reliability. Increased torsional rigidity of the propeller shaft and rear differential mount improves the response of torque transfer to the rear wheels and delivers a more rigid feel to the ride under acceleration. And a limited slip differential is used in the rear differential optimizes transfer of torque to the left and right rear wheels, realizing solid traction and linear vehicle control that delivers a stable feeling ride when cornering.
and wet conditions thats what MN is about lol 2/3 of the year is like that so im going to get one sounds like a fun car. thanx guys on the info
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99% of the people buying and driving this car won't be able to sense the difference between the AWD system in the 6 and the one in a WRX - it takes only 1/8 revolution of the front wheel for the system to recognize slip and send power to the rear wheels -my AWD Talon had this system and it's operation was transparent, whether doing a 6000 RPM clutch drop at a stoplight or driving on icy streets. When you get into a race with a TL from a standing start (and you know how to launch an AWD car), believe me when I say that the traction advantage is gonna put you WAY ahead.
it doesn't really state that only the front wheels will propell the car untill the system detects slippage. It does state that torqure can be distributed 100% to the front wheels, but that is only when the rear wheels slip. Most all wheel drive cars do that. If there is no switch to change to 2wd then it is full-time. Most trucks have this feature to save on fuel.
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Guys.you need to remember that people have been able to change the awd feature on their rides for awhile now. There is usally a computer that will control this feature of the awd..So i am sure in time..some aftermarket companies..will be able to adjust the settings for the awd..to give the proper 50:50 or the more preffered 40:60.
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If the differential is designed to operate with the split as 100/0 99.9% of the time, and you change it so that it operates 50/50 100% of the time... be prepared to go through a lot of differentials...acidbbg said:
The WRX's system drives the back wheels all the time. It's only when there is wheel slippage that the fluid in the differential heats up and activates the differential...
