Thoughts on 16 vs 17

A 2.0 liter Skyactiv-Turbo linked to a 7-speed skyactiv automatic would be perfect in getting good HP/tq numbers while retaining good mpgs.

Cool. Maybe they would go low compression and high hp with this engine to be the different one since they have this coming up...:) I wish.

Of course Mazda won't keep the engine going for much longer. They have this in the pipeline:

Mazda's next-gen SkyActiv engines will drop spark plugs in favor of high compression
 
Savagegeese video just came out. 33 mins.
At work, did not see the full video but one odd thing
Towards the end he pulled the whole rear bench seats base out - wth was it even possible. Wow and he had a tough time putting it back in and was cussing all the time.
I would be too uncomfortable knowing you could so easily unhook the rear bench on which Car seats etc. are installed. But its great for a flat floor.

You should see the last 2 minutes of his video.

Getting less and less impressed by the 17 every passing week. I cant see this CUV selling more than 130K units a year. Maybe that's good target for Mazda.

Are you talking about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-iWU8VGCH0

Because from watching the video, the guy seems to really like the 17 CX-5. That review is very, very complementary. Don't know how much better a review could get. People are getting nuts.
 
Cool. Maybe they would go low compression and high hp with this engine to be the different one since they have this coming up...:) I wish.

No thanks. Then you would have poorer fuel economy and less torque. That's the recipe I have in my current Subaru: low compression ratio, torque peak up at 3600 RPM. The engine is always a downshift and spool up away from providing any acceleration. 0-60 is fast, but who cares? Drivability stinks. So does fuel economy.

Subaru's 2.0 turbo is like that too. And so is Ford's.

VW are the ones who first figured out how to get the best use out of a small turbo, and with the 2.5T Mazda has done it one better.
 
No thanks. Then you would have poorer fuel economy and less torque. That's the recipe I have in my current Subaru: low compression ratio, torque peak up at 3600 RPM. The engine is always a downshift and spool up away from providing any acceleration. 0-60 is fast, but who cares? Drivability stinks. So does fuel economy.

Subaru's 2.0 turbo is like that too. And so is Ford's.

VW are the ones who first figured out how to get the best use out of a small turbo, and with the 2.5T Mazda has done it one better.

Depends on way more than you're focusing on. And VW didn't figure out crap, their 1.8T engine is a sludge bucket. Poor example.

BTW, my example was to be "different" from the current 2.5T platform...
 
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It's refreshingly ... blunt, LOL.

The thing at the end is odd and is like an after credit scene. Not sure what that guy did to get the seat off!

The lack of wind noise is really apparent in the video. Overall, I thought it was a good solid review. Gave the good and gave the bad.
 
And this is exactly what Mazda is trying to do: get premium buyers to consider them as the competition. Looks like it's working. It's nice to hear your feedback coming from the higher end of the spectrum.

Congrats on the new car. Hope you're just as impressed with it over the longer term as you were test driving. Our CX-5 is the 4th Mazda we've had in this house, officially surpassing Subaru for becoming the brand we've been most loyal to. My wife is absolutely thrilled with hers - and so am I.

I'm sure we will continue to be impressed with it as time goes on. And yes, they have absolutely lured premium buyers in my case. For the past 10 years, our "go to" brands have been Audi, Lexus and Infiniti. The CX-5 stacks up really well.

It is clear where Mazda is saving some of the money, and that is on the dealerships. The Audi dealership is beautiful, modern and high-tech. The Mazda dealership we went to was tiny and looked like something from the 90's. That's okay with me. I went in thinking my lease expectations were probably out of line but the deal they offered was even better than I anticipated. I will take that anytime over a fancy dealership and loaner cars. Also, if history is any indicator I will spend a lot less time at the Mazda dealership.
 
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I'm sure we will continue to be impressed with it as time goes on. And yes, they have absolutely lured premium buyers in my case. For the past 10 years, our "go to" brands have been Audi, Lexus and Infiniti. The CX-5 stacks up really well.

It is clear where Mazda is saving some of the money, and that is the dealerships. The Audi dealership is beautiful, modern and high-tech. The Mazda dealership we went to was tiny and looked like something from the 90's. That's okay with me. If history is any indicator, I will spend a lot less time at the Mazda dealership.

The Mazda dealers here have large showrooms with lots of windows giving it an open space feel
 
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The Mazda dealers here have large showrooms with lots of windows giving it an open space feel

Same. And our local Mazda dealer now has an open lounge and kitchen within the showroom for anyone to help themselves with free snacks, cakes, biscuits, muffins, juice, fancy coffee machine and big screen TV to entertain the kids. Tempted to go there again just to browse and check out the new CX-5 as well as getting a good feed! lol. :)
 
Are you talking about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-iWU8VGCH0

Because from watching the video, the guy seems to really like the 17 CX-5. That review is very, very complementary. Don't know how much better a review could get. People are getting nuts.

Review watched:
He was clear-no need to buy this unless you have a 5 y.o. CX-5 and that's really the crux,i didn't consider a 6 as a second car because of same drivetrain. 120k or so is saturation point for mazda in sales figures.
I like my mazda but if I buy a new car every 5 years I don't want same engine with more sound deadening. I want more options and others do as well:
Electric with range extender (on cards), mazda hazumi (or whatever the concept car is called)
Hybrid (Toyota hybrid in a Mazda 3 with skyactiv)
Turbos
V6
7/8 speed automatic.

This is at best a dressed up 16.5 - good value for new buyers but meh if you think of MY continuation.

Another positive he said was repeatability over kia/Honda/ford turbos. In stop n go here in Texas the puny 1.5 turbo will repeatedly get hotter and weaker on a drive. Your throttle response won't be true. Add CVT and you get vague driving feel.
 
Oh I recognize that guy. I watched his video on the 3 before I bought it and quite liked it.

The seat thing at the end almost had me in tears I was laughing so hard, mainly because that's just about how I am when I'm DIY'ing something and it hasn't gone to plan or isn't cooperating.

I couldn't find anything about the seat bottom being removable as a user feature. If I'm wrong I would love to learn about it. I think in reviewing the car he stumbled across how to release the seat bottom for service reasons and assumed it was a user feature. You can see in the video under the seat is unfinished / not carpeted. I would think if that was intended to be a feature for the owners to use it would be completely carpeted at a minimum.

Good video though. I really light how they throw it up on a lift and get a good look under it and under the hood in addition to the driving bits we're all used to seeing.
 
Review watched:
He was clear-no need to buy this unless you have a 5 y.o. CX-5 and that's really the crux,i didn't consider a 6 as a second car because of same drivetrain. 120k or so is saturation point for mazda in sales figures.
I like my mazda but if I buy a new car every 5 years I don't want same engine with more sound deadening. I want more options and others do as well:
Electric with range extender (on cards), mazda hazumi (or whatever the concept car is called)
Hybrid (Toyota hybrid in a Mazda 3 with skyactiv)
Turbos
V6
7/8 speed automatic.

This is at best a dressed up 16.5 - good value for new buyers but meh if you think of MY continuation.

Another positive he said was repeatability over kia/Honda/ford turbos. In stop n go here in Texas the puny 1.5 turbo will repeatedly get hotter and weaker on a drive. Your throttle response won't be true. Add CVT and you get vague driving feel.

A small independent car manufacturer can only do so much with the resources it has.

Now if Mazda was still under Ford, well......
 
Review watched:
He was clear-no need to buy this unless you have a 5 y.o. CX-5 and that's really the crux,i didn't consider a 6 as a second car because of same drivetrain. 120k or so is saturation point for mazda in sales figures.
I like my mazda but if I buy a new car every 5 years I don't want same engine with more sound deadening. I want more options and others do as well:
Electric with range extender (on cards), mazda hazumi (or whatever the concept car is called)
Hybrid (Toyota hybrid in a Mazda 3 with skyactiv)
Turbos
V6
7/8 speed automatic.

This is at best a dressed up 16.5 - good value for new buyers but meh if you think of MY continuation.

Another positive he said was repeatability over kia/Honda/ford turbos. In stop n go here in Texas the puny 1.5 turbo will repeatedly get hotter and weaker on a drive. Your throttle response won't be true. Add CVT and you get vague driving feel.

This guy gets it.
 
Don't give me that ish, if Ford was around, I wouldn't have bought a Mazda.

Neither would I.

What I was saying is being a under a large car company allows more features/choices.

At the moment, Mazda can only so so much with what they have.
 
Don't give me that ish, if Ford was around, I wouldn't have bought a Mazda.

No kidding. I think I had a Mazda Tribute in '06 when my MX-5 was being serviced. It was just a Ford Escape in disguise. Compare that with anything Mazda now offers.
 

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