Basically the car is warming up and having it at higher revs for the first part speeds up this process
Thoughts on 16 vs 17
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Basically the car is warming up and having it at higher revs for the first part speeds up this process
It's to warm up the catalytic converter faster so that it will actually do its thing.
I drove my friends 2015 CX-5 before heading over to the Mazda dealer on Saturday to try one out. I was completely set on a new Civic hatch (not really comparable, but I was looking specifically for a car with lots of cargo room). I was kind of considering the CX-5 because of how sporty that one felt vs most other crossovers from Honda / Toyota / Nissan etc, and in my mind, I put it in the same league as a car. After seeing the 2017 redesign I was pretty blown away. Seems like it's gotten some flack after reading around this past couple days, but it totally surprised me when I saw it in person; that slight audi / BMWish vibe those sleek / straight lines give off (maybe it's just me, but the slightly bubbly look of previous gen and other Mazdas from the current gen don't excite me too much. I'm a sucker for the new styling though.
But after driving it, I was sold. My friend's 2015 drives pretty nice and it's fairly sporty but it is rougher than any other crossover I've driven. You feel the road, far more than the Civic GT I was looking at or even the Crosstrek XV. This is just the exact right amount of quiet; you hear the road, but everything feels well balanced between interior cabin noise / outside noise etc. Nice blend. I feel like it corners tighter as well. I drove the 2015 / 2017 back to back on the exact same turns and the new model really balances around tight corners superbly for a vehicle that high off the ground. Interior cabin is much improved imo, and again feels much more sleek BMWish / Audish in a way.
The upgrades between exterior styling / interior styling, drive quality improvements sold me on the 2017 over getting a decently cheaper lightly used 2015 / 2016 model. I'm in love with the new GT Premium.
I have to agree with you. I'm new to the forum because we are considering the '17 CX-5 when our lease is up in a couple of weeks on our '13 G37 Convertible. We need more utility. I have a '17 Audi A4 and what drew me to the CX-5 is the similarity in both exterior and interior design to Audi, for a lot less money. We don't want an '18 Q5 because it has the same interior as my A4.
We test drove the CX-5 today. My A4 is super quiet, but I was blown away because I think the CX-5 is even quieter. I was also surprised at how much power the non-turbo 4 had. I've never driven the previous generation CX-5, but to me the steering was very responsive and the car handled really well.
As for the styling, it clearly isn't for everyone but to me it reminds me of our previous Infiniti FX35... long hood, chopped nose and bubble butt. We really liked the styling of that vehicle, so this is a good replacement. Looks great to me. We have already negotiated the deal, so we will be picking one up most likely next week.
For what it's worth, my last Mazda was an '06 MX-5, and although I loved that car just because it was so much fun I haven't considered Mazda since because of the lack of refinement. They really did their homework on the new CX-5, and they brought me back.
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And this is exactly what Mazda is trying to do: get premium buyers to consider them as the competition. Looks like it's working. It's nice to hear your feedback coming from the higher end of the spectrum.
Congrats on the new car. Hope you're just as impressed with it over the longer term as you were test driving. Our CX-5 is the 4th Mazda we've had in this house, officially surpassing Subaru for becoming the brand we've been most loyal to. My wife is absolutely thrilled with hers - and so am I.
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Studum, you nailed it. This is exactly what Mazda wanted and it will be great if this is the case. The other thing that I am noticing is that lots of Cx-5 people are buying the new 17 CX-5. These threads show it and my local Mazda dealer has mentioned it. Mazda wants repeat business and this model might help them get it. Now, they need to do the same thing - or more - for the 6.
boandlkramer
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Savagegeese video just came out. 33 mins.
At work, did not see the full video but one odd thing
Towards the end he pulled the whole rear bench seats base out - wth was it even possible. Wow and he had a tough time putting it back in and was cussing all the time.
I would be too uncomfortable knowing you could so easily unhook the rear bench on which Car seats etc. are installed. But its great for a flat floor.
You should see the last 2 minutes of his video.
Getting less and less impressed by the 17 every passing week. I cant see this CUV selling more than 130K units a year. Maybe that's good target for Mazda.
At work, did not see the full video but one odd thing
Towards the end he pulled the whole rear bench seats base out - wth was it even possible. Wow and he had a tough time putting it back in and was cussing all the time.
I would be too uncomfortable knowing you could so easily unhook the rear bench on which Car seats etc. are installed. But its great for a flat floor.
You should see the last 2 minutes of his video.
Getting less and less impressed by the 17 every passing week. I cant see this CUV selling more than 130K units a year. Maybe that's good target for Mazda.
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Good! You justified your 2016**.5** to yourself. I guess I'm SOOOO stupid for getting the 17! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji90]
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It's funny that he kept cussing the rear seat bench he pulled out and couldn't put it back till the end ⋯
I've been saying this several times before. At about 27 minutes, Savagegeese also said his bigger complaint on CX-5 interior - why for all these years and attention to details but Mazda can't spend 50 to cover the dead pedal? (uhm)
I believe your 130,000 units annual sales figure on CX-5 is a pretty good guess judging by 11,334 units April sales on CX-5. With heavy incentive on out-going 2016.5 CX-5 and new 2017 CX-5 just started available at the beginning of the month, this sales figure is only the forth best selling month for CX-5 since it's available in the US market in February 2012. Unfortunately the 13K annual sales figure is still way behind even the Subaru Forester.
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Can I just ask, WTF takes out the rear bench!? In all my life, I've never taken out the rear bench of any car. Good grief! [emoji23]
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It's a non-issue. The load floor is already flat with the cushion in it. To take the bench out you need to manually flip two large latches underneath the seat. This is more secure than my 328i which just had a pressure clip holding the bench in place and you could give it a good tug and the whole thing would pop out. Do you feel less safe about this over the pre-2017 CR-V's who's entire seat cushion flipped forward at the pull of a lever? What's to stop that from coming undone in a crash?
I got mine last Sept. Not sure if 17 was available back then. Maybe I would have test driven it. But I only had to justify the CX5 against Rogue and Tucson - if deal had gotten sour it would have been a Rav4.
17 is kind of that awkward child in the CX-5 lineup.
Fresh look
5 year old drive train.
Updates that pull it more towards a value buy which is good.
More family oriented than Zoom zoom which is what a CUV should be.
I cant imagine Mazda will carry this 2.5 for 4-5 years with minor 1 mpg gains each year. The diesel is very situational - will fit very few profiles so I am already not convinced it will sell a ton.
CX-5 is begging for a new drivetrain, and no diesel does not qualify much.
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It's funny that he kept cussing the rear seat bench he pulled out and couldn't put it back till the end ⋯
I've been saying this several times before. At about 27 minutes, Savagegeese also said his bigger complaint on CX-5 interior - why for all these years and attention to details but Mazda can't spend 50 to cover the dead pedal? (uhm)
I believe your 130,000 units annual sales figure on CX-5 is a pretty good guess judging by 11,334 units April sales on CX-5. With heavy incentive on out-going 2016.5 CX-5 and new 2017 CX-5 just started available at the beginning of the month, this sales figure is only the forth best selling month for CX-5 since it's available in the US market in February 2012. Unfortunately the 13K annual sales figure is still way behind even the Subaru Forester.
Dead pedal is not an issue. If it bothers owners they can always buy Mazda or cheaper eBay. If buyers dont fix it - it wasnt a biggie anyway. Now memory seats / rear heated seats those are not easy upgrades and that is a good value which Mazda has.
A big disappointments were the LED - which is basically Headlights / with some halos accented more.
The 130K is including Diesel sales. So we are back to square one - but 2% of all market is only 40-50K units more. Maybe more 6 and CX-9 sales will pull Mazda there.
In my limited experience I have never seen a Jello seat like that. I would not like to know or hear more about it. But he either made fool of himself or the CX-5 in the end.
I have, but it was definitely on purpose - for a specific reason (to run a cable or service a fuel pump ) - and I had looked up exactly how to do it and what not to do before hand...
I haven't seen the video yet but intend to look it up this evening. By then I'll need a good chuckle
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Bingo on everything...
As for the diesel, I too agree, that diesel is going to do absolutely nothing for sales. Maybe in certain parts of the country, it may, but definitely not here. You buy a diesel to pull a horse trailer, and that's it. Just FYI, gas is $1.79 a gallon here this morning, and the diesel is $2.29. Those few extra MPG won't justify crap.
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Diesel prices vary by state. You would see some states the difference is 10% so Gas could be 2, diesel 2.20.
But Diesel usage is very very limited.
1. Highway commute of atleast 20-30K annually - salesman or folks who drive between their businesses.
2. Hauling / trailers - if you dont do it regularly you may not still re coup the money.
3. States where diesel is not too $$$ compared to gas.
4. You need torque - slopes / grades etc.
But diesel is slow to 60, clumsy in lower rev range, more polluting and with EU deciding tighter restrictions - may find itself not inline with what agencies think.
For Mazda its a good gamble - they already have diesel - they see VW pull out. Now maybe they will get some diesel buyers in US.
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Gotta keep in mind that diesel is mated to a turbo too, so you let that baby spool up hard a couple of times, and your mileage is out the window.
I wonder how the diesels in other SUVs from Chevy etc are selling? A quick look at their MPG ratings shows me it's not even worth talking about as they get roughly the same MPG in the city and only 8ish mpg more on the highway. Couple that with the smell,smoke, and extra hassle of a diesel, no thanks...
I wonder how the diesels in other SUVs from Chevy etc are selling? A quick look at their MPG ratings shows me it's not even worth talking about as they get roughly the same MPG in the city and only 8ish mpg more on the highway. Couple that with the smell,smoke, and extra hassle of a diesel, no thanks...
A 2.0 liter Skyactiv-Turbo linked to a 7-speed skyactiv automatic would be perfect in getting good HP/tq numbers while retaining good mpgs.
