Which manifold? (56K warn)

[RyanJayG]

that is correct... and it has been said many times. you cannot compare this manifold to stock at 6psi. it does not make it a good value (unless you really need the looks for show)

it shines when it is given more boost. and it has proven itself in the dyno. and it will again (I think someone will be there) at the MAM dyno day on March 12th.

the point is, skeptics need to quit trying to make this product appear as a bad value. Because it has been proven to do exactly what it was designed to do.

 

[peepsalot]

that is correct... and it has been said many times. you cannot compare this manifold to stock at 6psi. it does not make it a good value (unless you really need the looks for show)

it shines when it is given more boost. and it has proven itself in the dyno. and it will again (I think someone will be there) at the MAM dyno day on March 12th.

the point is, skeptics need to quit trying to make this product appear as a bad value. Because it has been proven to do exactly what it was designed to do.

I'm not trying to make it appear to be anything, I'm just curious how it performs on a stock turbo, since that is one thing I don't plan on replacing in my car, and I think it would make a significant difference. When I say "near stock", I guess I mainly meant stock turbo, since I already have exhaust, fmic, and plan to raise the boost in the future(only slightly though). Whenever the hell I finally get my tax return, I might actually be interested in getting this.

 

[Super Matty P]

the point is, skeptics need to quit trying to make this product appear as a bad value. Because it has been proven to do exactly what it was designed to do.

I know like hell you're not referring to me. I've been complimentary of this. I just wanted to see a dyno stock boost for stock boost. I don't think that's too much to ask. Truth be told I really answered my own question at the 10psi level where 99% of all msp owners stop boosting this doesn't make more 10hp(8whp @ 9psi). IN MY OPINION it's not worth the high price tag. Surely it is though for those looking to spend thousands to upgrade their engine, fuel system and EMS. Absolutely.

 

[t3ase]

posts deleted per member request.

keep this thread on topic, there are a few of you skating on very thin ice as is.

 

[Super Matty P]

are you kidding me?? the guy asked a question "which manifold?" I simply said "Is It worth the high price tag?" If that's out of line I don't know what kind of response you were hoping to get. This is horseshit moderation here.

 

[t3ase]

Then go to ProtegeClub.

It was unneeded bashing and you know that.

 

[t3ase]

To add, if you have issues with it, PM me or an admin. This isnt the thread to discuss it in.

 

[traitorhound]

hmm. . .you selling the stock manifold?

 

[dominoy2k1]

it was a valid question. oh well.

 

[BlkZoomZoom]

Blah. Stock is always better. You just gotta help it out alittle.lol

 

[RyanJayG]

yes it is a valid question. has it been answered, yes, to some extent. but until there are enough of them out there that someone has one with a comp[letely stock MSP we'll never know. there just simply aren't enough of them, that are A) Stock, and B) within a feasible testing range of Mesa, AZ and C) willing to pay (even at a highly reduced price) to find out.

If you want to give your opinion, then do that. dont continue to complain about the number of MAM threads you see. This is the third time I have seen such complaining. Just as Matty didn't ask for people to post about his product, or about his situation. it did happen many many many times. How is a guy who posts a thread about recieving his product any different?

everyone needs to calm down, and just let this whole subject be.

EDIT**

another thing. You can not take numbers given from any manufacturer and add them up to make a HP gain. real or imagined. Mods help eachother to produce the power that they make. Taking a completely stock MSP, adding just this manifold will do hardly anything. is that the Manifold's fault? NO! its the fact that there are other restrictions that need to be addressed as well, the largest that comes to mind is the crappy (read, tiny and crush bent) exhaust system. thats why its dumb to even give prospective gain numbers that every manufacturer under the sun claims. the gains will always be more with other supporting mods.

 

[t3ase]

Just to clarify, the original thread was meant in a sarcastic manner. If you cannot realize that and need to feel inclined to give an opinion that bashes the product, that's more than likely what I'm referring to.

That said, I'm sure there will be a few more 'last words' but let's get this one *back on topic*, the real topic.

 

[Super Matty P]

(rofl2)

it was a valid question. oh well.

I thought so also....apparently valid questions aren't allowed when they question the value of the "vendor of the millenium".

 

[Super Matty P]

the gains will always be more with other supporting mods.

no'one is arguing this fact. The threadtsarter simply asked which is better or which would you rather have? To answer that question I'd have to know what gains I would get from it. That in NO WAY bashed the product or the threadstarter. In order for me to spend $900+ I'd want to know what I could expect. Since 99% of all MSP owners do not boost over 9-10psi I think seeing the header gains at 9-10psi is a VERY valid point. The "other mods" you mention will give their gains with the stock manifold but if you think an intake or a DP will give more than 20% gain with the header you'll lying to yourself. Say the DP (GHL looks awesome) gives 25whp adding this header and the DP isn't going to give more than an additional 3-4whp over what they give seperatly. I agree that you need supporting mods to make the most of a system but this was a thread about one mod.

p.s. for those who think I'm bashing I'd ask the exact same question if Wagner, Hiboost, SPD anyone released this. In fact I've asked the same question about the Wagner cams. This is an un-biased question.

 

[Mental Addiction]

no'one is arguing this fact. The threadtsarter simply asked which is better or which would you rather have? To answer that question I'd have to know what gains I would get from it. That in NO WAY bashed the product or the threadstarter. In order for me to spend $900+ I'd want to know what I could expect. Since 99% of all MSP owners do not boost over 9-10psi I think seeing the header gains at 9-10psi is a VERY valid point. The "other mods" you mention will give their gains with the stock manifold but if you think an intake or a DP will give more than 20% gain with the header you'll lying to yourself. Say the DP (GHL looks awesome) gives 25whp adding this header and the DP isn't going to give more than an additional 3-4whp over what they give seperatly. I agree that you need supporting mods to make the most of a system but this was a thread about one mod.

p.s. for those who think I'm bashing I'd ask the exact same question if Wagner, Hiboost, SPD anyone released this. In fact I've asked the same question about the Wagner cams. This is an un-biased question.

Matty,

I find myself in a tough spot with you.It seems you find your ways into Mental Addiction threads and always bashing, bringing doubt and unneeded opinions.Opinions are like assholes, some smell worse than others and simply put, yours is full of s***.
I can go back an search your name and MAM and find you in just about every thread either bashing or trying to bring doubt on my products.If you do not like the price tag, the way it looks or simply me, don't post.You do not find me in your threads picking apart your Powerdyne SC.Yes, theirs many things I don't like, but are my opinons needed, NO.
Until you bring something to market worth talking about or better yet some respect for others do not post my name or in threads about my products and their will be no problems.
As for being vendor of the year, you should take some notes because you need them.

 

[Super Matty P]

Matty,

I find myself in a tough spot with you.It seems you find your ways into Mental Addiction threads and always bashing, bringing doubt and unneeded opinions.Opinions are like assholes, some smell worse than others and simply put, yours is full of s***.
I can go back an search your name and MAM and find you in just about every thread either bashing or trying to bring doubt on my products.If you do not like the price tag, the way it looks or simply me, don't post.You do not find me in your threads picking apart your Powerdyne SC.Yes, theirs many things I don't like, but are my opinons needed, NO.
Until you bring something to market worth talking about or better yet some respect for others do not post my name or in threads about my products and their will be no problems.
As for being vendor of the year, you should take some notes because you need them.

I guess you haven't picked up on it yet....but I'm a postwhore. I posty in EVERY thread. You're not special. You just seem to take offense to what I post in your threads.

If for some reason you've taken my simple question the wrong way I apologize. I've been very complimentary of your work. My only question was about the "bang for buck" factor. That's all. I would've asked thia about ANY mod. I love the Wagner stuff but when someone says which header should I get I tell them the OBX because it's a better "bang for the buck". I know Andy makes a great product but it's alittle pricier and is only marginally better. Try not to take everything I say so negatively. For every post I make that appears to bash something there is another saying how much I like something. I think you've got a nice header.

If you would like to openly discuss my supercharger kit I'm MORE THAN HAPPY to do so. I have no problems doing this and nothing to hide. There are some drawbacks to my blower just like there are drawbacks to your blower. I posted my supercharger info because I wanted the community's feedback. I'd like to know what they think. I'd like to tailor it to their wants/needs. I think THAT makes a vendor a good vendor (along with other stuff)...which brings me to my last point.

From what I hear you're a great vendor. Had you been around for any length of time you'd know how vendors here come and go. Each "cycle" there is a new "flavor of the month" (so to speak). Some vendor shows up and has some great new product...everyone buys it, people start bitching about vendor leaves, vendor is called a "potential scammer". I'm not saying this will happen to you but it's happened to big three vendors I've seen in the 2 years I've been here.....Spoolin, Ion, Wagner, etc... I hope you stick around though man, everyone seems to like you and you make some neat turbo stuff.

Am I a "good vendor"?? that depends. Do I kiss people's asses and tell them what they want to hear? Not at all. I am, however, very upfront and honest and go WAY out of my way to help people. I don't consider myself a jolly salesman. I'm the kinda guy who would tell you to take a hike if I didn't like you...customer or not. I don't beg anyone for business and I don't take s*** if I don't have to. I guess that's not what you would consider a typical vendor to act like. I would suggest you just ask the 50+ people who buy from me on here what they think of me. That's probably more important than what I think of me.

 

[anarchistchiken]

God you guys really need to cut this crap out. Look, heres a simple fact, Matty is what most people would call an asshole. He pisses people off because he doesn't pussy foot around his opinions and in our soft ass society of today, that offends the hell out of some people, even if it is on a ******* internet forum.

Besides that, I've said it before and I'll say it again; I'm a MAM fan. I think Beau's a really cool guy, I think he makes great stuff, and I think he's really commited to this community.

Matty has made some bad posts before, but they were usually provoked by someone coming into his threads and shitting on them. Don't ask me to post examples, cause I'm not that bored, but I've seen it happen a bunch of times. I know for a fact (unless he lies to m face) that he doesn't have any problem with Beau or Mental addiction or any products associated with them. He used to consider you a competitor before all talk of the **vtec kit** was banned. But whatever his usual posts are, whether ou agree with him as a person or not, he made a valid question.

And saying lets keep this thread on topic is ******* ridiculous. Tease, you know that I dont have a problem with you either, but come on man, in the same post you said to keep on topic you said the thread was created as a sarcastic joke, so why delete a legitimate question about the value of the header. I agree that the complaint about too many MAM threads is stupid, but he did make a valid point.

Finally, I know you all think I'm Matty's little b**** or whatever, but honestly you can kiss my ass. I'm friends with some of his worst enemies, and I dont like some of his friends. We just happen to be friends! That's it! God forbid someone live in the same city as someone, be friends with them, then stand up for them. I'm saying this now cause I'm sick off all the stupid ******* jokes people throw out for no reason whenever Matty and I are involved in the same thread.

 

[Mental Addiction]

I guess you haven't picked up on it yet....but I'm a postwhore. I posty in EVERY thread. You're not special. You just seem to take offense to what I post in your threads.

If for some reason you've taken my simple question the wrong way I apologize. I've been very complimentary of your work. My only question was about the "bang for buck" factor. That's all. I would've asked thia about ANY mod. I love the Wagner stuff but when someone says which header should I get I tell them the OBX because it's a better "bang for the buck". I know Andy makes a great product but it's alittle pricier and is only marginally better. Try not to take everything I say so negatively. For every post I make that appears to bash something there is another saying how much I like something. I think you've got a nice header.

If you would like to openly discuss my supercharger kit I'm MORE THAN HAPPY to do so. I have no problems doing this and nothing to hide. There are some drawbacks to my blower just like there are drawbacks to your blower. I posted my supercharger info because I wanted the community's feedback. I'd like to know what they think. I'd like to tailor it to their wants/needs. I think THAT makes a vendor a good vendor (along with other stuff)...which brings me to my last point.

From what I hear you're a great vendor. Had you been around for any length of time you'd know how vendors here come and go. Each "cycle" there is a new "flavor of the month" (so to speak). Some vendor shows up and has some great new product...everyone buys it, people start bitching about vendor leaves, vendor is called a "potential scammer". I'm not saying this will happen to you but it's happened to big three vendors I've seen in the 2 years I've been here.....Spoolin, Ion, Wagner, etc... I hope you stick around though man, everyone seems to like you and you make some neat turbo stuff.

Am I a "good vendor"?? that depends. Do I kiss people's asses and tell them what they want to hear? Not at all. I am, however, very upfront and honest and go WAY out of my way to help people. I don't consider myself a jolly salesman. I'm the kinda guy who would tell you to take a hike if I didn't like you...customer or not. I don't beg anyone for business and I don't take s*** if I don't have to. I guess that's not what you would consider a typical vendor to act like. I would suggest you just ask the 50+ people who buy from me on here what they think of me. That's probably more important than what I think of me.

Everyones idea of bang for the buck factor is different.Is my manifold a good choice for someone with a stock turbo and 6psi...That's up to them.The dyno's show a small whp gain up top, but a much larger one in the middle.Some people are happy with this and others want more.Those that want more will not stay at stock boost levels or a stock turbo and this is where the manifold will shine.


As for disccusing your SC, I have no interest or the time.Bring it to market and we'll go from their.

For length of time, I have been here under Mental Addiction for just over a year.I was here under a different name for 6 months before that.I have seen many come and go and those that have gone have gone because of their own doing.As for me leaving, I will go when I feel it's time to move on.

As for you being a good vendor, like they say,"It's what the customer wants" and I'm sure most don't want the attitude.You are going to find that the business market is tight/dirty and vendors and manufactures talk about other vendors/dealers.Piss the wrong one off and you'll find yourself without product because your competitor got your order.So you might want to rethink your marketing.

 

[Super Matty P]

Everyones idea of bang for the buck factor is different.Is my manifold a good choice for someone with a stock turbo and 6psi...That's up to them.The dyno's show a small whp gain up top, but a much larger one in the middle.Some people are happy with this and others want more.Those that want more will not stay at stock boost levels or a stock turbo and this is where the manifold will shine.
people who boost above 10-11psi usually end up with bum engine. When and if they rebuild they usually go with a bigger turbo so this manifold would be obsolete to them. I agree though that it'll make more power the higher you rev it up but don't these T25's start fighting their own efficiency at like 14-16psi??

As for disccusing your SC, I have no interest or the time.Bring it to market and we'll go from their.
I plan on it. I see you snooping in my threads and asking questions and I'm cool with that. If you have a legitimate question as to why I've done something or is it quality I'm more than happy to discuss it with you. Why do you seem to get so pissed when I ask a simple question??

As for you being a good vendor, like they say,"It's what the customer wants" and I'm sure most don't want the attitude.You are going to find that the business market is tight/dirty and vendors and manufactures talk about other vendors/dealers.Piss the wrong one off and you'll find yourself without product because your competitor got your order.So you might want to rethink your marketing.
hahaha, the day you market your own custom Supercharger for the protege is the day I'll start worrying about my customer service skills. Until then I've got the lockdown on this market. If I don't feel like selling to someone that's my perogitive. I'd be interested in seeing how different your supercharger would be from mine...

reply is in red.

 

[Mental Addiction]

Originally Posted by Mental Addiction
Everyones idea of bang for the buck factor is different.Is my manifold a good choice for someone with a stock turbo and 6psi...That's up to them.The dyno's show a small whp gain up top, but a much larger one in the middle.Some people are happy with this and others want more.Those that want more will not stay at stock boost levels or a stock turbo and this is where the manifold will shine.
people who boost above 10-11psi usually end up with bum engine. When and if they rebuild they usually go with a bigger turbo so this manifold would be obsolete to them. I agree though that it'll make more power the higher you rev it up but don't these T25's start fighting their own efficiency at like 14-16psi??

As for disccusing your SC, I have no interest or the time.Bring it to market and we'll go from their.
I plan on it. I see you snooping in my threads and asking questions and I'm cool with that. If you have a legitimate question as to why I've done something or is it quality I'm more than happy to discuss it with you. Why do you seem to get so pissed when I ask a simple question??

As for you being a good vendor, like they say,"It's what the customer wants" and I'm sure most don't want the attitude.You are going to find that the business market is tight/dirty and vendors and manufactures talk about other vendors/dealers.Piss the wrong one off and you'll find yourself without product because your competitor got your order.So you might want to rethink your marketing.
hahaha, the day you market your own custom Supercharger for the protege is the day I'll start worrying about my customer service skills. Until then I've got the lockdown on this market. If I don't feel like selling to someone that's my perogitive. I'd be interested in seeing how different your supercharger would be from mine...

How would the manifold be obsolete to those with a built motor and larger turbo?The manifold will only HELP..


I only ask questions because of interest.Like I have said in the past, It would be cool to see a SC kit for the Protege market..

As for Mental Addiction making a SC kit for the Protege, I have no interest.But don't be surprised if I'm contacted out by one of the big SC manufactors to build one..It has happend before.I'm under contact right now to develop 3 different turbo manifolds and 1 supercharger kit for different platforms.So rather change your marketing due to competition, make it perfect from the get go.First in the market with a solid reputation makes it hard for competition to get in.

Here is one test manifold we finished last week.