Which manifold? (56K warn)

[anarchistchiken]

Wow truc, that's kinda pathetic. You spent all that time searching just to prove matty sorta wrong? I think you're a cool guy and everything, but that seems like a lot of work to accomplish very little.

I say that because Juans' header is nearly 1/3 the cost of this one, so it's not really in the same class as far as price goes. And I know he's talked about the "bag for the buck" of wagner cams. Knowing him, the thread probably got deleted or moved into the dumpster or something though. Just because it's not there now doesn't mean it never was there.

 

[tonkabui]

pathetic? sure! i'll own up to that. you can call me pathetic all you want, so long as you parallel that with calls of hypocricy in matty's claims that this site is a cesspool for vendor bashing when he himself admitted to postwhoring in every thread of a new product by ANY vendor questioning it about its "bang for your buck" factor.

 

[Super Matty P]

I never saw the first thread you posted. I just read it for the first time today when you posted it. If It'll make you feel better I'd ask for a dyno but Juan has already said it would need the Hiboost DP to be a direct bolt-in. The more parts you add to the equation the harder it is to get an uidea of how much power each piece makes.

As for the second link:

"I will call Andy and get the most current I can tomorrow. 26whp from cams alone sounds a little high but I won't pass judgement until I see some good proof"

"I dunno, on the other forum there was a big debate about the accuracy of the dynos. I won't get into it withanyone but I've never known Wagner to inflate his numbers to increase sales"

"If Wagner's cams make even 15-20whp I'll buy them."

"not that I'm aware of but I'd expect about $550 for both."

"well, i hear rumor that the j-specs cams add about 18whp for about $350.....the problem is getting the j-spec exhaust cam. I would expect for Wagner to charge much more he's have to make more power or have some advantage over the competition."

"what did your cams dyno Karen?? I'm going on heresay."

"basically we're waiting until the units are available for sale and then we can have some independently test them on the dyno to get some unbiased numbers"

These were just quotes of mine off the first of 3 pages....do I need to go further?? If you don't feel I "tell it like it is" you're living in a fantasy land. I love the haltech from HiBoost, but damn if took 2 months to get it to my door. I love the stuff DaveB machined for me but because iof his work schedule it took 6 months to get finalized and I still had to make adjustments on my end. I love the Wagner Shorty header but it's priced a little high to be competitve with the cheaper OBX header.

I've said these things over and over again....I've never tried to hide things or paint rose a rosier picture. I believe everyone has some kind of shortcoming. Some people like me, sometimes I rub people the wrong way.... I don't try to hide that.

 

[Super Matty P]

Blah. Stock is always better. You just gotta help it out alittle.lol

why the hell aren't you getting flamed like I am?? (rofl2)

 

[BlkZoomZoom]

Because everyone here knows that if I didn't want a sleeper that looked completely stock I would've been one of the first to buy one. That piece looks so friggin killer sometimes I regret wanting a sleeper.

 

[RyanJayG]

it can still be sleeper.. just leave the hood closed.. lol... but in all honesty I liked your port and polished work. you appeared to be pretty good at it. but you'd need to do it a few times to get the perfect flow from it. (which is a HUGE pain in the ass)

 

[Mental Addiction]

These were just quotes of mine off the first of 3 pages....do I need to go further?? If you don't feel I "tell it like it is" you're living in a fantasy land. I love the haltech from HiBoost, but damn if took 2 months to get it to my door. I love the stuff DaveB machined for me but because iof his work schedule it took 6 months to get finalized and I still had to make adjustments on my end. I love the Wagner Shorty header but it's priced a little high to be competitve with the cheaper OBX header.

I've said these things over and over again....I've never tried to hide things or paint rose a rosier picture. I believe everyone has some kind of shortcoming. Some people like me, sometimes I rub people the wrong way.... I don't try to hide that.

Sounds like a cry baby to me..Complain Complain Complain.You need some discipline and structure in your life.Rather than sit at the net and bring unneeded BS into a thread, hit the gym.Hopefully this will show you what hard work will do.Then come back with a weight loss table so I can tell you how you aren't doing things right..

 

[vindication]

I hope the the NFC wins the Pro bowl today. I hate the NFC. plus, it helps that the Cowboys(yeah I know) are in the NFC

 

[Riles]

Hey Mental Addiction- I love your manifold. I don't think everybody realizes the 19 whp gain at 5300 rpm like your movie says- thats a huge difference! You should get some quarter mile times with stock vs your manifold- I bet yours would blow the stock mani out of the water, even at stock boost!

If I didn't have my money tied up in trying to make intakes, I would buy one in an instant.

 

[Super Matty P]

Sounds like a cry baby to me..Complain Complain Complain.You need some discipline and structure in your life.Rather than sit at the net and bring unneeded BS into a thread, hit the gym.Hopefully this will show you what hard work will do.Then come back with a weight loss table so I can tell you how you aren't doing things right..

It's convenient for you to ignore the positive things I said about the aforementioned vendors products. Maybe you're too busy patting your own back to read what I wrote fully. Every person mentioned in my post was complimented also. Why do you choose to ignore that to make me look like a hater?? I even complimented your product.

Constructive criticism is just that.... sometimes you have to take the bad with the good. I've been criticized heavily but I'm always willing to openly discuss these problems. You just prefer to accuse me of being a "hater". This is far from the truth. I'm a realist. Your product looks good but IN MY OPINION it's not worth the high price tag. Now you may not approve of some of my supercharger designs but that is YOUR OPINION to have and share with others. I will casually explain why I did what I did and if after my explination you don't feel it's a quality product then I won't force you to buy anything from me.

I don't see why you have SUCH a hard time with every small comment. All I did was ask for a stock psi dyno comparison and a 10psi dyno comparison. Why the **** can't you just post the info withouth crying about it?? When you asked me questions I simply answered them and moved on. Why are you so incapable of doing the same??

p.s. I have no idea what you mean about going to to the gym and having you critique my results. That makes no damn sense whatsoever. I hope you're not assuming you're a tough guy or anything...that's pretty lame.

 

[tonkabui]

These were just quotes of mine off the first of 3 pages....do I need to go further?? If you don't feel I "tell it like it is" you're living in a fantasy land.

nah, no need to go further. besides questioning the validity of the dyno results, it is clear that you fully support the wagner cams and didn't question their value in terms of "bang for the buck" like you claimed to have done.

here's one from today though in which you are clearly advising people AGAINST MAM's intercooler even though you have no knowledge of what it can or can't do:

Also, you should steer clear of people advertising intercoolers as "the largest core possible". While this sounds good it is NOT. An intercooler should be properly sized for it's application. IMO I think the HiBoost is even a little on the big side.

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oh yes, and DO NOT try to bring daveB into this. if you PAID for ANY of his fab work or ANY of his material costs, THEN you can b**** about the 6 months. otherwise, even forrest gump knows beggars can't be choosers.

 

[changedman]

matty just as you complain about the number of posts supporting Beau's stuff, I complain about the posts you make every single time in response... yet you blast us for making all theese comments, while you get to yourself? hypocrite.

 

[RyanJayG]

Matty the sheer number of your posts in MAM threads suggest an ulterior motive. how could someone not take a defensive stance at that? Even though you've given compliments here and there, every topic always seems to be a "its good, but not for the price" or something similar. I'm sure the majority of the people of this forum have read it and seen it the same way.

 

[MPNick]

I think the MAM is a very good manifold.

But why to so many people think the stock MSP is junk? We made 310whp with the MSP manifold. If it was junk we would have never made that power. Never hade any part of it glow red. That tells me that flow must not be that bad.

 

[Super Matty P]

I think the MAM is a very good manifold.

But why to so many people think the stock MSP is junk? We made 310whp with the MSP manifold. If it was junk we would have never made that power. Never hade any part of it glow red. That tells me that flow must not be that bad.

uh oh, did someone just agree with me??? (boom03)

 

[Super Matty P]

nah, no need to go further. besides questioning the validity of the dyno results, it is clear that you fully support the wagner cams and didn't question their value in terms of "bang for the buck" like you claimed to have done.
I did, I said about halfway down...I believe they will be in the $550 range...and then uderthat I said " if people are getting 18whp for $350 then Wagenr's stuff BETTER make more power to justify the higher price" You're using your selective hearing again.

here's one from today though in which you are clearly advising people AGAINST MAM's intercooler even though you have no knowledge of what it can or can't do:

My comment on core size is true. Bigger does NOT always mean better. I stand by this and anyone who doesn't knows nothing about FI systems. My (slight) jab at pdh or whoever said it was because all they said was "the MAM core is the biggest available"....they said nothing about pressure drop or efficiency. I'm still right about that. My bash wasn't about the MAM product but the MAM representative.



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oh yes, and DO NOT try to bring daveB into this. if you PAID for ANY of his fab work or ANY of his material costs, THEN you can b**** about the 6 months. otherwise, even forrest gump knows beggars can't be choosers.
You are either under-informed or being lied to. I know you and the Bodde's are close. If you feel you're being told the truth by them I suggest we have a 3-way phone converstaion and we can air out every small detail till you hearts content. I really like them alot but your recent post leads me to believe they are saying stuff behind my back that is untrue all the while being friendly to my face. If you wanna discuss it further feel free to pm me for my phone number and we'll compare notes.

reply is in red.

 

[Super Matty P]

matty just as you complain about the number of posts supporting Beau's stuff, .

no no nom, you misunderstand. I was compalining about the number of THREADS about the same thing. Post all you like. Praise all you like. nothing wrong with that. I was just commenting (in one sentance) that there have been 4 threads about this one product. Why not just combine them all into one MAM header thread?? Hell, that would probably even HELP promote the thing. All info would be in one neat place not 4 scattered threads. This also wasn't a bash....just another example of how you guys take every small comment and blow it WAY out of proportion.

just fyi, all of the WOMP info on p-club is in 2 threads. Thats it. and it's over 7K posts long. I find it's easier to keep the forum clean when all of the information is in one place.

 

[Super Matty P]

Even though you've given compliments here and there, every topic always seems to be a "its good, but not for the price" or something similar.

can you name a perfect product with no equal that is priced well enough to have no equal in it's price range?? I can't. I see both sides to EVERY product...I don't wear rose colored glasses. (smash)

Have not I even mentioned there are downsides to my products?? Of course I have.

ui guess until you hear me talk in person you don't realize that I try to be as thorough as possible in everything I talk about. I had people at our GA/AL meet asking me questions all day long and I tried to explain my opinions in's and out's...upsides and downsides. Sometimes when I didn't know something...I said "I don't know enough about that to make an educated statement". I call it like I see it.

 

[Brian MP5T]

wow, $20K on a $10K car.... (hand)

Ummm, It was $20,000 CDN Plus Taxes here bud...

 

[dominoy2k1]

ooh thats cool then. thats what like $3 US and some change...LOL. by the way, like the way your car is coming out