I just have to ask then, how much have you spent on your car? I won't lie, I love my P5 but there are many, many cars out there that can be made faster and more reliable for less money. Not to mention many have more aftermarket support. Honda Civics and Nissan 240s come to mind first...
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Where did you get from that sentence that i didnt like my car lol
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1st car that pops in my head is the car everyone loves to hate the srt-4
I forgot about them, but yes. Although, no matter how much work gets put into those I still find them ugly... The handling isn't really there either but I suppose that can be fixed with a certain amount of money.
So the only reason you like your car is speed and reliability? Come on Magnum. Civics and 240s cost alot to mod correctly. Sure you can bolt on cheaper stuff with them and make power but it breaks. Top of the line Civic and 240 parts are quite pricey.
New rods and a ECU can fix alot of problems with our cars too.
No, there are lots of reasons why I like my P5. Speed and reliability are only the two most common ways people compare cars. I like my P5 because it looks good (to me), has a decent utility to it, it is somewhat unique and it's now decently fast. However, I have probably dropped nearly $10k into the car and I'm only at or around 225 whp in a car that looks and handles great but I haven't even built the motor yet! Even though top-of-the-line Civic and 240Z parts are more expensive, I know you can make one fast, reliable, good-looking, and decent-handling for a lot less than you can a Protege. The margins of return are just lower for Proteges. You can spend $10k on a Protege and get 300 whp fairly reliably in a car that already looks good and handles well. $10k into a Civic will put you around 500 whp with similar qualities.
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Haha, R32 is a much nicer ride in the sense that it has much more of a quality build to it, sounds better, has more power, AWD, stronger motor, nicer interior.... Yes it's heavy..really heavy, no s***. But when you get in, sit down and close the door, you know why it costs more, and why it's so heavy...It's like closing a vault door. Whereas a MSP is a tin can. The R32 is $36,000 fully loaded I believe.
These FSDET motors kinda suck, it's almost a bad joke really. There are sooo many more motors out there that can take much more boost w/out the costly job of replacing pistons and rods, and that also respond better to mods.
Mazdaspeed20035 - Your car is a ******* monster, and not many people if any, are making that kind of power on this forum. Your car is not really a fair comparison, because it's sooo far from a "normal" MSP. Any car can do big things if you dump $25,000 into mostly the motor and tranny, it's easy w/ that much money.
I'd like to see video of people running 10psi (stock turbo) on a bolt-on MSP, walking the likes of Evo's, STI's, Stage 2 SRT 4's. I've seen JDM Sam's video before but...whatever, you don't really see much of that race, just the end, so no comment there. Racing from a roll doesn't mean s***, honestly. Drag racers don't race from a roll and there's a reason why. Because you need to know how to launch a car to be a racer.
Rolling only shows a cars ability to accelerate from maybe 40-1xx, you're missing almost the entire torque aspect of the race, it's silly. Go to the track, line up w/ a bone stock STI, and watch your ass get handed to you. (most of us)
We've all seen the Dyno charts floating around here for MSP's, and nothing about those #'s tell me that those cars are going to walk the previously mentioned cars. I'm speaking from experience. I run 15 psi forged, turbo back 3" w/ no cats, huge FMIC, tuned w/ emanage, 440's, and a tranny built for acceleration. Do I smoke these cars ? Nope, I don't, and I know how to drive.
These FSDET motors kinda suck, it's almost a bad joke really. There are sooo many more motors out there that can take much more boost w/out the costly job of replacing pistons and rods, and that also respond better to mods.
Mazdaspeed20035 - Your car is a ******* monster, and not many people if any, are making that kind of power on this forum. Your car is not really a fair comparison, because it's sooo far from a "normal" MSP. Any car can do big things if you dump $25,000 into mostly the motor and tranny, it's easy w/ that much money.
I'd like to see video of people running 10psi (stock turbo) on a bolt-on MSP, walking the likes of Evo's, STI's, Stage 2 SRT 4's. I've seen JDM Sam's video before but...whatever, you don't really see much of that race, just the end, so no comment there. Racing from a roll doesn't mean s***, honestly. Drag racers don't race from a roll and there's a reason why. Because you need to know how to launch a car to be a racer.
Rolling only shows a cars ability to accelerate from maybe 40-1xx, you're missing almost the entire torque aspect of the race, it's silly. Go to the track, line up w/ a bone stock STI, and watch your ass get handed to you. (most of us)
We've all seen the Dyno charts floating around here for MSP's, and nothing about those #'s tell me that those cars are going to walk the previously mentioned cars. I'm speaking from experience. I run 15 psi forged, turbo back 3" w/ no cats, huge FMIC, tuned w/ emanage, 440's, and a tranny built for acceleration. Do I smoke these cars ? Nope, I don't, and I know how to drive.
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But every granny drives a Civic
+1 you see civics on the road like 2000 times a day. And moded civics are even more common. I like to think of moded civics like Little EMO children, they all think there Unique, but really they look exactly the same.
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Well, I don't want to turn this thread in to, my car is the s***, and i'll beat you all.. hope this don't turn out into a battle, this is just my opinion. i paid for my car new $ 19,000 and in 5 years i have putted around $ 23,000 in parts, labor, and stuff i have changed more than one time for better parts.. that's $ 42,000 worth Protege. now if i had those $ 42,000 in hands, what could you get ? a Used Vette ? how much money you need to maintain a Vette ? how much money you need to mod it up, how much for insurance, an EVO ? the MR costs around $ 40,000 Fully loaded, 280 HP, yes AWD, but stock, how much money does spare parts and aftermarket parts costs for an EVO, how much Insurance ? at least for me, it has been worth every penny because those $ 23,000 i have invested in my car are equals to an EVO MR with 2k in mods, and i highly doubt any MR with just $ 2000 in mods can perform near of how my MSP does.
the whole point of this is, if you can afford to have something different and be unique, hey you need to pay to play i rather to have a $ 42,000 Protege with 500 HP, than owning a SRT-4, a Honda, or a Nissan with the same amount of power or more with less money, but you see them in every corner, every kid have one. so what's the point being another from the bunch... i mean you can call me crazy for putting that amount of money into a PROTEGE, but I'm a Happy Crazy ass motherfucker with something nobody have !! that's all i care
an SRT-4 ? no thanks, no matter if with the same amount of money you can make a 1200 HP SRT-4, no matter what you do to the SRT-4's. they are ugly and still a Dodge, a Econobox with a big engine and that's it. i don't see any bling on any srt-4 i don't care if they have 800 HP or more, if they are fast or not. Just not my Type of car.
Honda, and Nissan's.. i don't like any of them. plus all of these cars are way more expensive platforms than our MSP's. i hope you get my point. i also know not everybody have 23k to put into a car, but i also know buying a 42k is worst than what i have done. because in the long run i'll have a better overall car and less expensive there is no doubt about that..
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But every granny drives a Civic
Uniqueness however, does not equal perfection. I'm just saying, the Protege is a fine car and I love mine but there are much better platforms out there for Import builds. Believing the Protege tops that list is just ignorance. Hell, if I wanted a killer Import build it'd be an EG Hatch Civic with an all motor KA24 swap with KA20 head, header, ITBs, Hondata, full suspension, JDM body conversion, etc. It would have more power, weigh less, handle better and have a "uniqueness" not seen in 90% of Proteges here.
Not everyone drag races. Some people like to turn the steering wheel. In a race on a track you don't stop at the begining of the backstraight each lap. You are already rolling so the one that accerates faster will win if you are side by side coming out of the corner.Racing from a roll shows the acceleration of the two carsas if you were on the track. You can go from a 20mph roll like I do with my friend who has a WRX. You honestly can't beat a STI or R32 with your mods?? I hope you are kidding.
Ok, the rest of your post is fine but this is just wrong - completely, utterly false. The Protege platform is one of the most expensive Import platforms to work with. The reason: 3rd Gens were only built for 5 years and MSPs for only 1 year. Companies don't make products for cars when there's only 5000 in existance! There is a reason why major tuning companies like Greddy/Trust and HKS make so little products for our cars. Hell, many big name companies don't make anything!
Do you know how much money you just spent with that build. Not to mention the cost of the body work that would need to be done to a car that old.
Lots yes, KA24s are upwards of $4k on their own but overall it would be comparable to what I'm doing with my P5. Hell, I have an exhaust manifold that cost nearly $1000! Roughly the same price and same overall power level but I'd have N/A Honda reliability in a car that weighs 500 lbs less than my P5.
Look, I'm not trying to de-rail the OP. Everything I said is just in response to all the fan-boys out there who think the MSP is the be-all, end-all tuner platform; it just isn't. I love my P5 to death and will probably never part with it but there are just some things I've come to accept.
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But again, is a damn HONDA CIVIC...... how many Heavy Modded Proteges you see on the streets ? how many own them ? how many JDM all around Honda's you see around? s***, i used to see hundreds of them back in Miami, with s*** load of power, whooping Lambo's, Ferrari's, Supras... but then again is a HONDA not a MAZDA Protege..... i mean every one of us is free to choose any brand or any car to start a project, i'm not disappointed by using a Protege as my project..
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Look, I respect your opinion but in repsonse to this - YOU OWN A DAMNED PROTEGE! That's no different than saying "IT'S A DAMNED HONDA CIVIC!". Both are Japanese compact sedans or hatches and are comparable at every level. Entry level Civic = entry level Protege and MSP = Civic Si (I'm talking about stock here). Honestly, who gives a flying **** how many modded Civics are out there? Just because they're common doesn't mean they're crap and just because something is rare doesn't mean it's great. Perhaps most import tuners just know the Protege isn't a great platform and opt for something with more support. C'mon man, I know you love your car and Mazda but blind faith is just stupid.
I agree totally with you. The MSP was meant to out handle its competition not just out run it like was the case with the SRT-4. I don't think any FWD car should make more than 300WHP tops. But thats my opinion. I guess I don't street race enough to need more HP than that.
Agreed 100% and that is why 300 whp is my final power goal. I also have a lot of suspensions mods already done or planned. Straight line speed is fun but I more enjoy being able to utilize most of my 225 whp on interstarte on/off-ramps. I've already stated that I hate the SRT4s though. Nothing could get me to like one of those.
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