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Ricktalife
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i dont have that kind of money though 
HondaEat-R
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No...JDMSam's video isn't enough. He's a knowledgeable guy and has a nice shop but..in that "race" you see about 5 seconds of the actual race(the very end), the rest is just typical street race video BS. Once again, a street race isn't a race, it's nonsense and only shows a small portion of a cars potential.
Let me explain this again, I've been in more than one STI, I've been in a Evo MR, and a shitload of other very quick cars(i'm sure you have to). You see my mods & I run 15psi all day long. My car isn't broken anywhere, and is performing very well. I don't and won't simply "walk" these cars we're speaking of.
I just don't buy it, and I'm saying this as a guy whom has a very similar list of mods as you (KnoxJoe) if not a 'lil bit more. Not some random guy driving some random unrelated car.
LOL, that's from a 40 roll all the way to triple digits. The video car is struggling to keep up, pay attention to his speedo. I have other videos but I don't give a s*** anymore until I make new ones.
That video my setup was AWR motor mounts, Exedy clutch, Injen cai, Crossover Auto FMIC, Vibrant exhaust, Unichip tuned on 10 psi Greddy Profec B 2 ebc, pump gas 93.
My car trapped 101-102 in that setup. I had another car do 103-104 with the similar mods. You should be able to replicate similar results if you have a car that runs right, has no problems, and is properly maintained.
That video my setup was AWR motor mounts, Exedy clutch, Injen cai, Crossover Auto FMIC, Vibrant exhaust, Unichip tuned on 10 psi Greddy Profec B 2 ebc, pump gas 93.
My car trapped 101-102 in that setup. I had another car do 103-104 with the similar mods. You should be able to replicate similar results if you have a car that runs right, has no problems, and is properly maintained.
HondaEat-R
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Buddy..nobody said you weren't going "fast". Great, you hit over 100. That's totally beside the point. Make a video at the track beating a STI. That's what I want to see pretty badly. FYI, my car runs great, and pulls hard. Just not as hard as some people like to claim. Proof please, just like you said in your video, "raise the BS flag". Consider it raised. It's not personal, I just don't buy what you guys are selling. You need to remember that I own the car we're speaking of and drive it everyday, hence I know what it (and those similar to it) will and can do.
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The local Subaru guru in my area disagrees with you. In a drag race from a stop you shouldn't beat the STI. The traction advantage they have out of the hole is simply to much to overcome for most fwd cars. However from a roll you should. With a lighter car with the same whp and wtq you should win. Walking away might be a reach. My friend (the guru) has a 500whp bug eye and tunes STI's all day long at his shop.
What is the point you are trying to make? You don't condone street racing? Welcome to 2 years ago in that video. There are track videos if you search.
Just look at people's timeslips and trap speeds. Trap speed tells you how fast a car really is on the street w/o the traction factor. Many modded MSP's trap 97 to 103 mph with bolt-ons.
Just look at people's timeslips and trap speeds. Trap speed tells you how fast a car really is on the street w/o the traction factor. Many modded MSP's trap 97 to 103 mph with bolt-ons.
HondaEat-R
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**You just said "IF they have the same whp and wtq". Here's the thing..My car doesn't have 305 crank hp, neither does yours, neither does JDMSams, see the pattern ? If my car DID have 305 crank hp, I'd say to you that "yes, of course I'll beat a STI from a roll". It would make sense at that point.
They're not even close, especially at 10psi on our little turbo, which is what JDMSam claims.
They're not even close, especially at 10psi on our little turbo, which is what JDMSam claims.
HondaEat-R
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Right...street racing is silly. It's not racing, and it's a easy way out for people that want to claim bravado bulls*** "race" wins, that in reality can't launch a car properly. I know all about trap speeds. I saw your track videos, you beat a old turbo mr2 by what, .3, .4 seconds ? I just don't see how that could equate into the ability to smoke a STI.
AWD cars have alot more drivetrain loss HP wise vs FWD. They claim 305 at the crank and put down around 240ish to the wheels. If you are at 15psi with your mods you should be around that. I make 200 to the wheels and don't have near the mods you do or do I run 15psi.
HondaEat-R
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I understand the concept of power loss through load. I don't know what else I can say in this debate. I just don't see it happening. Maybe sometime soon I'll see a STI and simultaneously feel irresponsible, so I can see how it would really go.
My current setup I am safe to presume I am well over 300 flywheel hp. So speak for yourself on that one.
Obviously, you do not know about trap speeds b/c you don't get that my old trap speed was faster than a stock STI's. 101-102 > 98-99 mph. A roll race takes the STI's traction advantage away, so it's all about power and gearing. You want to keep comparing the roll race vs. a standstill. We know from a standstill, it is unlikely to beat an STI, so quit beating the dead horse.
Most of all, don't forget the MSP weighs less.
Obviously, you do not know about trap speeds b/c you don't get that my old trap speed was faster than a stock STI's. 101-102 > 98-99 mph. A roll race takes the STI's traction advantage away, so it's all about power and gearing. You want to keep comparing the roll race vs. a standstill. We know from a standstill, it is unlikely to beat an STI, so quit beating the dead horse.
Most of all, don't forget the MSP weighs less.
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4WD or AWD is better and always will be compared to FWD or RWD from a standstill, but once you get rolling that advantage dissapears and becomes a handicap (mostly because of the weight and then all other factors).
This is drag race-wise, on a track its a different story and is all about balance of the car and skill of the driver.
Not that I'm saying that drag race doesnt require skill, 'cause I've seen fast cars beaten just for bad gear shifting technique.
This is drag race-wise, on a track its a different story and is all about balance of the car and skill of the driver.
Not that I'm saying that drag race doesnt require skill, 'cause I've seen fast cars beaten just for bad gear shifting technique.
HondaEat-R
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You didn't have over 300hp when you raced that STI though....You ran 10psi on a gt25, and that beat the STI huh ? Keep stretching.
Obviously, you think you know a thing or two about drag racing because you've raced your MSP less than a handfull of times. Congrats, I'm impressed. Whatever, because I'm about done here I think. Keep racing your car on the street, and you'll be so cool that you're car will be in impound, and you'll be the owner of a significantly lighter wallet.( Minus lots o' cash & one drivers license).
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Yes, believe it or not those mods beat an STI. I ran another 05 STI with cai/downpipe that night. I have the video of that too, but it won't change your opinion because you won't accept it as fact due to it not being on a track.
Preach to the choir about street racing all you want because I haven't run anyone in a while. Your whole argument is based off your feelings towards street racing and really has no foundation other than street racing isn't good enough, so do it from a dig at the track. In other words, you want to take a roll race and run it from a dig in which we already know the outcome, which reasserts why you are preaching to choir about street racing again. So let me finish what you really want to say about roll racing not being real racing because it' not on the track. I can agree it's not racing, but it's just an equalizer to compare which car is really faster in a given acceleration range without traction as a factor.
On a technical note, if you bought your car with those mods or even added them yourself in your sig, I can see why you don't think your car is fast enough to run an STI from the roll. First, the Perrin SRI loses HP over a stock airbox. Second, the last time I checked Arias pistons were 8.5 to 1 unless you got a specific set made at that comp. 8.5 Arias is what I know certain vendors carry. Most of all, I can probably guess how well that E-manage is working with everything.
Preach to the choir about street racing all you want because I haven't run anyone in a while. Your whole argument is based off your feelings towards street racing and really has no foundation other than street racing isn't good enough, so do it from a dig at the track. In other words, you want to take a roll race and run it from a dig in which we already know the outcome, which reasserts why you are preaching to choir about street racing again. So let me finish what you really want to say about roll racing not being real racing because it' not on the track. I can agree it's not racing, but it's just an equalizer to compare which car is really faster in a given acceleration range without traction as a factor.
On a technical note, if you bought your car with those mods or even added them yourself in your sig, I can see why you don't think your car is fast enough to run an STI from the roll. First, the Perrin SRI loses HP over a stock airbox. Second, the last time I checked Arias pistons were 8.5 to 1 unless you got a specific set made at that comp. 8.5 Arias is what I know certain vendors carry. Most of all, I can probably guess how well that E-manage is working with everything.
Mazdaspeed2oo35
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STI's and Evo's ain't all that s*** people thinks.. heavy modded ones might be, but you can beat any stock STI and EVO with a good tune a some bolts on. those cars are heavier than our MSP's. AWD is good for launching hard with 0 traction issues. but when you are rolling AWD is just bulls***.
I have friends that have beaten STi's and Evo's with Protgs with turbo kits and good tunes on it and they were not even MSP's. not to mention i have ***** a few Heavy Modded Sti's and Evo's, as well as heavy modded SRT-4 Stage 3 on rolling races. i know for a fact i don't have a chance racing them from a standstill but, I always take them to my terror territory where i know i have potential and where everything is about what power you got and how good you know how to drive and that's called Rolling my friend, rolling racing are the best, and btw who the **** have not race on the streets ? i bet everybody have done it, and they are still doing it, if you are modifying your car to be faster and you tell me you don't race in the streets, you are completely full of s***. you can take your car to the track and race it, no doubt about that, but we all know our daily track are called street and daily driving your car. I barely race my car on the streets, I'm a very respossible citizen, but that s*** doesn't mean when some nice modded car gets next to me and tries me i'm not going to atleast try to show him what i got... I'm not promoting street racing in any manner, but that s*** is happening and still will for years to come.
I mean we are comparing and talking about here cars that are completely different in Price, Technologies and horsepower, MSP vs STi but one thing is for sure, with some decent money and a good tune you can beat any stock Sti, any EVO including the MR and some SRT-4's. JDM-SAM have a bad ass MSP no doubt about that and I'm not impress at all seeing a Protg Whooping an STI, I've seen them and done them as well.
I have friends that have beaten STi's and Evo's with Protgs with turbo kits and good tunes on it and they were not even MSP's. not to mention i have ***** a few Heavy Modded Sti's and Evo's, as well as heavy modded SRT-4 Stage 3 on rolling races. i know for a fact i don't have a chance racing them from a standstill but, I always take them to my terror territory where i know i have potential and where everything is about what power you got and how good you know how to drive and that's called Rolling my friend, rolling racing are the best, and btw who the **** have not race on the streets ? i bet everybody have done it, and they are still doing it, if you are modifying your car to be faster and you tell me you don't race in the streets, you are completely full of s***. you can take your car to the track and race it, no doubt about that, but we all know our daily track are called street and daily driving your car. I barely race my car on the streets, I'm a very respossible citizen, but that s*** doesn't mean when some nice modded car gets next to me and tries me i'm not going to atleast try to show him what i got... I'm not promoting street racing in any manner, but that s*** is happening and still will for years to come.
I mean we are comparing and talking about here cars that are completely different in Price, Technologies and horsepower, MSP vs STi but one thing is for sure, with some decent money and a good tune you can beat any stock Sti, any EVO including the MR and some SRT-4's. JDM-SAM have a bad ass MSP no doubt about that and I'm not impress at all seeing a Protg Whooping an STI, I've seen them and done them as well.
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Velocifero
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Damn man, it's not horrible numbers, but here is my comparison after adding the 626 mani and thermal spacers. I am running stock ECU and stock s-pipe. Vibrant exhaust with cat removed, Turbohoses SMIC w/ DSMConvert hardpipes, ATP wastegate and spring mod to get just right below 10psi, but close enough to just say 10psi. This is before I had the Thunder mani and the Steedspeed Prototype tester. Stock injectors, stock turbo, Injen CAI. Stock clutch, welded diff, DIY filled mounts. Dynojet, pretty hot weather and I drove about 40 minutes in traffic there. The earlier dyno was cold weather and the car was sitting there for quite a while.
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