The people that believe the content of those emails as truth were not going to support Obama to begin with. Same goes for the people that seek to draw conclusions about his church and similar issues. Reminds me of the Willie Horton tactic from years back. It works to some extent to smear your opponent by inference.
Donas, I'm not even referring to you at all. I'm talking about eligible registered voters that may be susceptible to such tactics of smear. It works quite well with those voters, as has been proven time after time.
And for what its worth I went to that website earlier to see what all of the fuss was about with the church and pastor. I certainly understand questions being asked but to make it out that Obama is in lockstep with the pastor is a leap I'm not willing to make.
Wow, this got out of control pretty quick. I guess it is good that we are all this passionate on the subject! LOL! My vote is for Obama; will not go to Clinton (not even with Obama as a running mate).
I won't dive into anyone's side comments, but a couple of things I want to add to the collective conversation:
- Comparing oil prices in America to other countries is a moot point. We refine oil domestically, so we have much more control over costs than, say, the UK, that imports gasoline/deisel directly. The fact that we are approaching $4/gallon is significant.
- Tax cuts are just one tool that government uses to aid the economy. In reality though, it is disputable whether they actually have an impact in a situation like ours where we are at nearly full employment. Read up on Supply side/Keynesian economics if you want the full picture.
- So far, no one has mentioned the Pentagon/AirBus deal, which would have meant thousands of jobs (I think someone mentioned 44,000 new jobs) if it would have gone to Boeing instead. That is the type of government spending that is good for our economy and can spur growth.
- The exchange rate for the US dollar is pathetic right now, due in large part to the war and the need to borrow large sums of money from countries like China, Japan and India to fund it. This is having the largest impact on pricing on all foreign products than any other variable. Spur value growth in the US dollar and it is like you give the majority of America a raise.
Just some food for thought. I'll stay out of the rest of this muckety-muck...
I see it as possible to attend a church with a leader who some may say is controversial yet not be mirror image of the pastor or in 100% agreement with his message.
You've mentioned Jerry Falwell and he certainly said somethings over the years which raised a few eyebrows. Inspite of all of that I would not make the leap that you are in 100% agreement with him because of your alma matter and its link to him.
man if i dont want to vote for someone that is my opinion i mean i can vote on any facts i want and a I AM NOT RACIST i have many hispanic and muslim friends but i just do not think obama would make a good president but man i mean im not here to make you all change your minds its none of my business but i am just voicing my opinion. it might have came across wrong because on the internet its hard to show proper emotions with just a few letters with out hearing the tone of voice and expressions on my face.
Ron Paul, that is all.
good points. can't really find fault with anything you said. If I may ask, what is it about Hillary that turns you off so much to her?
#1 - She has zero integrity. It is very hard to follow someone who will lie at any cost to further their cause.
#2 - I see health care as a major issue, but I'm not convinced that state run healthcare is really the best answer. The differences between her plan and Obama's are subtle, but not mandating that people buy into the government's plan is an important one. It would still allow for competition from the private sector, as long as the insurance companies could get their act together.
#3 - The Clintons are idealogically tied to "old washington". I find it hard to believe that they will be able to distance themselves from lobbyists and the partisan politics that have become the norm.
#4 - Talking with countries like Iran, Cuba, N. Korea, etc., is not in of itself a bad thing, assuming that there is proper ground work done to ensure that the other parties are open to discussion of key issues. IMO, you keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Discussions at that level indicate a level of commitment that has been absent from foreign policy. I am not suggesting that we bend over backwards to appease any country and neither is Obama.
I can keep going on why I like Obama, but these are the main one's swaying my decision away from Shilary. I honestly could have stopped at #1...
See even though I'm a conservative, I can see eye to eye with you on this because at least you're intellectually honest. While overall Hillary and Obama don't differ that much on policy, he is by far the more appealing candidate even to someone like me who would not really vote for either.
Still, Obama does have several things about him that irk me. He's much more palatable than billary though.
While it is a great jabbing sound bite, the facts show that the tax and spend rhetoric Republicans often spew about Democrats is not as bad as it sounds. Taxing before spending actually reflects good government. The facts also show that it most often takes a Democratic President to control and reduce spending. The truth is that the Republicans are the party of borrow and spend. They hate taxes, but love to spend; their solution is to put off paying till later for our security today. They prefer to see our children pay for their debt. Neo-Conservative thinking has run up a huge debt that will not be paid off for a generation or more, and is still increasing at an astounding rate with no end to deficit spending in sight. Pres. Bush is constantly claiming that the economy is great! What he leaves out is that he is buying that simulated good economy with his borrowed dollars; it is a false economy that could very well crash the minute the borrowing stops.
Time for change. Fiscal responsibility and a reality check are needed. Thomas Jefferson said it best, "I place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt."
