this is the end.

[Turbo Matty P]

www.carsdirect.com do a search for honda civic near area code 35114....you'll see it!

 

[mspdfreak]

This is probably nothing you have in mind, but it might be worth a thought. I have a '92 GEO Prism sitting in my driveway right now. Yeah, it's not pretty...the paint is faded (red) and it has 114,000 miles, but it's reliable, never been abused and blows cold air. I'm asking $1000. I had a girl at work wanting to buy it, but she can't come up with the cash.

Anyway, it's no prize, but I'm confident it will get you where you need to go for at least a couple of years. And at this price, you'll be able to save money alot faster for your next car. Regardless, good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[mspeedpro]

can i ask a favor?? please dont get rid of ur msp home page b/c its got sum great how-tos i plan to use in the next 6 months? plllleeeaaassseee?

 

[jred321]

yea, dsm's aren't known for reliability, but they are really easy and cheap to work on when they do break

 

[Turbo Matty P]

rest assured at 90/k miles you'll be rebuilding the head. You might as well. You've got to replace the valve stem seals and check clearances....I'd just have the head compltely built up!

 

[EXA4DRIVER]

EXA, you said it was fast and fun.....but was it also furious? If not then I feel misled!

Nah man It wasn't furious

 

[kwiktsi]

Exactly. I bought a brand new 1998 model year GS-T in 1997, and only kept the car 3 years becasue the head gasket went bad after 27,000 miles. It was a fast and fun car, but not very reliable.



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You had a head gasket go bad on a GST? I have never had a 4G63 headgasket fail from anything besides overboosting or detonation. They don't just go. What did you do ?? lol. Now if you had an NT with the Neon motor, they are notorious for head gasket issues.

Anyway- Ryan- 97 is the WORST year for crank walk, so be careful . The 99's are the best from what I had seen, but I have been out of the loop for a while now.
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

i wouldnt get a dsm there realiability sucks they break down alot...did you ever think about 88-92 1st gen mx6's there fwd and they come turbo, there nice looking cars and rare too.....check this out http://members.cardomain.com/sleeper6 thats my husbands car... you can pick them up for cheap and still have some money to mod the car....

No offense, but a 1st gen turbo MX6 has more reliability issues than a DSM. It all depends on maintainence (sp?). People think they can get into a 100K mile DSM and flog the snot out of it because it is fast then cry when the timing belt they never changed broke or the break an axle launching it, or the stock clutch can't handle 21 psi of boost or whatever- I have seen/heard it all . One of my DSM's I had for 3 years- it was a 90 TSi, I got it with 145K miles on it and had it until 197K- the car ran mid 11's the whole time on the original motor and trans ...

The MX6 motor hardly has any potential compared to the DSM also. It is all personal preference though, I have just seen too many Turbo Probe GT projects get abandoned because they turned out to be a waste of time and the people stepped up to a DSM.

However, even the DSM's are old news now if you want to be different . Everybody and their brother has a wannabe DSM race car with a muffler and BOV driving around like it is TF&TF . The fast guys either keep to themselves or have moved on to other cars.. But I do like the looks of the 2G still!!!
Joe

 

[jred321]

i thought 95-96 was the worst for crankwalk, 97 only slightly better, and 98-99 not as bad?

 

[jred321]

you could swap an fe3t into a 1g mx6/pgt turbo, that's on par with the 4g63

 

[kwiktsi]

i thought 95-96 was the worst for crankwalk, 97 only slightly better, and 98-99 not as bad?

I have hardly seen any 95's with it.. Maybe a handful.. I have seen a TON of 97's with it- every 97 I have bought (about 6) had it and most of my customers 97's when I had my shop needed a rebuild also.. I have heard of some in 98, but last I heard there were no 99's- but that was a while ago, like I said- I have been out of the loop a while. They upgraded the thrust bearing in later models (either 98 or 99) and it was working well last I heard (about 2 years ago).
Joe

 

[kwiktsi]

you could swap an fe3t into a 1g mx6/pgt turbo, that's on par with the 4g63

No you're talking .
Joe

 

[Sloop]

My 97 GS-T had crankwalk, completely stock. My brothers 95 GS-T also had crankwalk. When you drive the 95 - 99 DSM's just know what you are looking for. My engine was replaced under warranty (took some time) and my bro's well was replaced with a 1st gen bottom end and modded to hell. He still has the car and has not had a problem since 2001.

Try and look for a 91 - 93 Galant VR-4. They are sleepers if I ever saw one. AWD with the 1st gen motor and that fantastic 14B turbo. You could probably find one pretty cheap if you look hard.

 

[kwiktsi]

My 97 GS-T had crankwalk, completely stock. My brothers 95 GS-T also had crankwalk. When you drive the 95 - 99 DSM's just know what you are looking for. My engine was replaced under warranty (took some time) and my bro's well was replaced with a 1st gen bottom end and modded to hell. He still has the car and has not had a problem since 2001.

Try and look for a 91 - 93 Galant VR-4. They are sleepers if I ever saw one. AWD with the 1st gen motor and that fantastic 14B turbo. You could probably find one pretty cheap if you look hard.

Just curious- either of those two cars have a clutch replaced prior to the CW? I am just curious though because improperly adjusted clutches was part of the problem I was finding a few years back...
Joe

 

[Sloop]

Yes sir,

Both had the clutches replaced. My 97 was replaced with a factory and the 95 was a Centerforce DF. The 95 still has the DF and it is holding up very well. The cluch pedal on the 97 was literally hitting the floor. I loved the car and will own an EVO eventually.

 

[kwiktsi]

Yes sir,

Both had the clutches replaced. My 97 was replaced with a factory and the 95 was a Centerforce DF. The 95 still has the DF and it is holding up very well. The cluch pedal on the 97 was literally hitting the floor. I loved the car and will own an EVO eventually.

See .... The 2G has a VERY touchy clutch adjustment- it will seem fine, then after depressing the clutch a few times, it will "pump up" and hold pressure against the pressure plate which in turn trashes the thrust bearing fromt he excess load.. Just one theory, but i still believe it is a combination of things- clutch adjustment being up top on the list though.
Joe

 

[Kooldino]

2G protege.

 

[LADY MSPD]

(QUOTE)No offense, but a 1st gen turbo MX6 has more reliability issues than a DSM. It all depends on maintainence (sp?). People think they can get into a 100K mile DSM and flog the snot out of it because it is fast then cry when the timing belt they never changed broke or the break an axle launching it, or the stock clutch can't handle 21 psi of boost or whatever- I have seen/heard it all . One of my DSM's I had for 3 years- it was a 90 TSi, I got it with 145K miles on it and had it until 197K- the car ran mid 11's the whole time on the original motor and trans ...

The MX6 motor hardly has any potential compared to the DSM also. It is all personal preference though, I have just seen too many Turbo Probe GT projects get abandoned because they turned out to be a waste of time and the people stepped up to a DSM.

However, even the DSM's are old news now if you want to be different . Everybody and their brother has a wannabe DSM race car with a muffler and BOV driving around like it is TF&TF . The fast guys either keep to themselves or have moved on to other cars.. But I do like the looks of the 2G still!!! (Quote)

there not realiable???? my husband has 190k now and he is boosting 16psi daily driven on original motor, tranny and turbo, we even take his car on long drives to visit his family in san francisco, two of his buddies have mx6's one with 315k on original motor and tranny with boost set to 14psi and the other with 225k also with original motor and tranny with boost set to 16psi and with the same mods as my husband.......on the other hand my husband wanted a gsx eclips for a 2nd car but his buddie with a eclips blew his turbo @12psi and he had a bunch of leaks,he also met one guy that ownd a gsx he said that he took that thing to every mechanic they still couldnt get it to run right...dsms are power for a limited time....
go to mx6.com ask them how realiable the 1st gens are they'll tell you...look for the guy that works for racingmazda his name is rick he as a mx6 full interior stock motor(f2t) daily driven running 12.6....or go to racingmazda.com and email rick....1st gen mx6s are one of the most under rated cars.....no one really knows about them thats what makes them so badass!!!=)

 

[Ryan]

hrm wow turns to the battle of who is who... i am refiguring the number and maybe i can pull a refinance job on the msp... just not sure... dunno what i wanna do depending on how well it runs after this new motor is put in... if all is cosher then i'll keep it... if not... looks like i'll turn to the rice mobiles...

i got a friend that can get me a 96+ hatchback for around 1800 he said if i get it to get a loan for 3500 turn around 400 buy a crv motor, and about another 400 to have it installed... get i think he said a integra tranny for 600 (installed) and a new head, and with a little weight reduction i'd be in the 13's... but i dunno if i could ride around in something like that....

i was thinking more along the lines of like... 00-03 civic, and swap a h22a motor and then h23a head. keep the appearance stock, tha'd be one hell of a sleeper...

shrugs..

 

[Black Majik MSP]

No offense & I never really knew you, but if you really were a "Complete Protege Junkie" like your avatar says, I don't think you would just abandon this site once you sold your MSP. Who are you selling it to? I cringe everytime I think of someone selling their MSP to some other dealer who probably won't appreciate it or take care of it. Anyway, I hope you get to keep the speed, but either way, good luck.

EDIT: I realize that title may be the one given to you automatically by the site (because Joe has the same one), but you most people personalize theirs. If you didn't agree with it, I assume you would have changed it.