New engine at only 19,000 miles

[BlkZoomZoom]

Issues list to date:

15K-Tranny Rebuild
19K-New Engine, New Oil Metering Pump
22K-Tranny Rebuild
All else that follows, I became uninterested in keeping track of the milage, but current milage to date is right at 27K
New Auxiliary Port Motor
New Spark Plugs
New Coil Packs
New Coil Packs
New starter
E. shaft sensor adjustment
Overheating that has been going on for some 3,000 miles is still unresovled

Learn how to shift.

Sounds like a Vw.

 

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Wow. Sorry to hear your still having troubles. Is there a "Lemon Law" in Texas? Either way, I think I'd be calling the district sales rep for MAZDA, given all that. Seems like it would be cheaper for them, and obviously far less hassle for you if they just put you in another car.

I cannot discuss the legal details of our lemon law case. One person on the RX-8 board has already had his case dismissed due to unfolding detail about his own case on public forums.

But yes, there is a Texas lemon law.

 

[Mikey444]

My idle is a litle rough and I had a couple of rough starts. The rough starts went away when they reprogrammed the computer. But the idle is still rough.

EDIT: The top gear episode on the RX-8 makes me want to buy a second RX-8

 

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

What year is it? How many miles does it have? Have they put on a new oil metering pump? I would see if you can get the warranty to cover a compression check on the motor if I were you...

 

[Mikey444]

2004, not even 10000 miles and I dont think there is a new oil metering pump. But next oil cahnge I will have them do a compression check, hopefully they wont give me the run around.

 

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Good luck.

I have had many new parts put on mine, as she is a trouble car, but ALL of them need at least OMPs, because the original design doesn't give enough oil for the seal to maintain proper lubrication. My motor had extremely low compression at the 19,000 miles.

A hint from a friend of mine with a 2004 with 72,000 miles: his overheats occasionally too, and he had to have the clutch replaced just out of the 50,000 mile warranty (we think due to the throwout bearing which was making a chirping/squeaking sound when in N and the clutch pedal was out while running). His engine is also making a horrid clanging sound when it gets hot too. I think he's going to need a new motor very soon, which sucks cuz the warranty is bye-bye and a new motor (even if put in at 49,000 miles) will still be out of warranty at 50,000 with the whole car.

Also, I have found out from people in Las Vegas (another really hot dry climate) that the 8s over there are having massive overheating problems too. Mine overheats regularly on 95 deg + days. It's going to eventually kill the motor too. (notcool)

 

[sublyminull]

Good luck.

I have had many new parts put on mine, as she is a trouble car, but ALL of them need at least OMPs, because the original design doesn't give enough oil for the seal to maintain proper lubrication. My motor had extremely low compression at the 19,000 miles.

A hint from a friend of mine with a 2004 with 72,000 miles: his overheats occasionally too, and he had to have the clutch replaced just out of the 50,000 mile warranty (we think due to the throwout bearing which was making a chirping/squeaking sound when in N and the clutch pedal was out while running). His engine is also making a horrid clanging sound when it gets hot too. I think he's going to need a new motor very soon, which sucks cuz the warranty is bye-bye and a new motor (even if put in at 49,000 miles) will still be out of warranty at 50,000 with the whole car.

Also, I have found out from people in Las Vegas (another really hot dry climate) that the 8s over there are having massive overheating problems too. Mine overheats regularly on 95 deg + days. It's going to eventually kill the motor too. (notcool)

I don't have an RX-8 but I have been at the dealership everyday talking to the service department. From what I hear so far in the past two months they have replace 8 motors and 2 of them were in the same car. I guess even after they received the new motor from mazda with the fix on the compression failure that motor still has the same problem. The other thing I was told by my nameless dealership is all of these cars have less than 15k miles. I still love the RX-8 im too poor to buy one. but my MSP isn't blowing motors left and right. Good luck with all that though.

 

[Mikey444]

Good luck.

I have had many new parts put on mine, as she is a trouble car, but ALL of them need at least OMPs, because the original design doesn't give enough oil for the seal to maintain proper lubrication. My motor had extremely low compression at the 19,000 miles.

A hint from a friend of mine with a 2004 with 72,000 miles: his overheats occasionally too, and he had to have the clutch replaced just out of the 50,000 mile warranty (we think due to the throwout bearing which was making a chirping/squeaking sound when in N and the clutch pedal was out while running). His engine is also making a horrid clanging sound when it gets hot too. I think he's going to need a new motor very soon, which sucks cuz the warranty is bye-bye and a new motor (even if put in at 49,000 miles) will still be out of warranty at 50,000 with the whole car.

Also, I have found out from people in Las Vegas (another really hot dry climate) that the 8s over there are having massive overheating problems too. Mine overheats regularly on 95 deg + days. It's going to eventually kill the motor too. (notcool)

Damn, all this stuff is pretty discouraging. Does Mazda have a definative fix that actually works so they wont have to replace motors left and right anymore?

Also, how is a compression check done?

3rd of all, why the heck are motors going left and right?

 

[sublyminull]

Damn, all this stuff is pretty discouraging. Does Mazda have a definative fix that actually works so they wont have to replace motors left and right anymore?

Also, how is a compression check done?

3rd of all, why the heck are motors going left and right?

Cant tell you if they have a fix for it yet. From what the guy in the service department was saying is that they thought they solved the problem with a new motor they were distributing out. But, he has seen the new motor have the same problem.

I believe you can just take it to the dealership and they can check the compression i'm not sure how to do it your self. Hell I'm not very car savvy i just drive fast.

3rd of all,

because the original design doesn't give enough oil for the seal to maintain proper lubrication.

This causes the seals to go bad and lose compression in the motor and they will need to replace.

 

[spacemonkey]

Wow - So glad I went for the 350z instead of the RX-8.

My main reason was reliability. Rotary engines don't have the best track record for longetivity, whereas Nissans 6-cyl (VQ?) has been used in alot of their cars for quite a while now.

:edit: - oh, and hey diane, haven't seen you on here in a long time - nice to see you're still around. you're good stuff

not really do you know any other engine froma 70s car that can still crank up? lots of NA 12a running.

I think NA rotaries are as realiable as any engine when taken care of. MAzda has won numerous endurence series from NA rotaries. Form the lemans winning 787B which never really had engine problems to the FIA winning RX-8 team which had less break downs then its piston counter parts. The RE ARmeya NA 3 rotor FD in JGTC. NA RX-7s and NA 3 rotor Cosmos still run good...and those are engines from the 80s. Turbo is different...people often try to pump out 450-500 hp form a rotary engine...not going to happen and last long. I dont see where else would people be getitng rotary engines from...either form a custom shop or from a older rotary car. most 3 rotor engine swaps come from cosmos which are old cars.

look it up...obviously it take a bit more care becuase it uses oil in a different manner. Flooding problems but the new renisis is suppose to correct that. Rotary gas is defiantely hotter so cooling and lubercation becomes more important. My friend follows racing beats break in prodecure when he broke in his new RX-8. It requires some TLC.

My brother just bought a old RX-7 (FB). Theowner sold it to us for $700. Turn out the engine was flooded and he didnt bother fixing it. it cranked right up. might have had a rebuild but engine runs fine. 12As sound ricey though.

 

[ZoomZoomH]

i'll prove all you fockers wrong and log over 200k miles on my 8, on original motor!!!! muahahahahaa

 

[spacemonkey]

WEll its the same thing witht he MSP...tranny will blow LSD will split. yet theres alot of people who arent having problems. Yet there are a few who are having problems.

MY friend is at 24K with no problems. Not a single problem at all. car is still running strong. He just got a MAzdaspeed kit for it and it looks amazing!

only thing he complains about is gas milage and he did somethign to make it slightly bettter. Shifting before secondary injectors open, oil gas mixtures and etc. But he drives form apopka to Disney 5 days a week...thats a 40 minute drive on the highway.

 

[spacemonkey]

Maybe you guys can answer this one for me. Why am I starting to see RX-8's on damn near every used car lot in the area?
It seems like alot of people are trading them in after only a year. Whats up? Are these likely the early ones that have alot of issues?

i rarely find imports on lots at all...they are always cheapo cars or american cars...for sports cars I see alot of corvettes. But I'm looking at the newspaper right now and I count more Zs for sales then RX-8s. It could be Zs are a more popular car. and sell quicker? Who knows. I would say sport cars found on used car lots are corvettes...especially the C5s. I swear nearly every dealer has one.

ALSO this is the same type of tranny in the MX-5. so perhaps they worked ou there problems.

 

[ZoomZoomH]

used car markets vary GREATLY by region, you'll be amazed how much difference just a couple counties away makes.

for one, i see very few used RX-8's on the local dealer lot, and i'm pretty much seeing RX-8's (yes that's a plural, more than one RX-8 a day) on the road DAILY (not including mine (thumb) )

 

[spacemonkey]

True you cant find old subarus here down south but they are very popular up north. When I was looking for a old Impreza RS nearly all of them was up north. Obviously the snow and etc made cheap AWD car attractive up north.

 

[Mikey444]

i'll prove all you fockers wrong and log over 200k miles on my 8, on original motor!!!! muahahahahaa

That's what I want to hear

 

[spacemonkey]

I talked to my friend and a couple guys at the RX8 meet in Tampa....it was pretty big about 20 RX8s.

Suprisingly not many people had problems with their cars. My friend knows alot and he admited that the tranny is the only real problem but he said for a new engine the renisis has had very few that failed. Besides these engiens are still hand assembled right?

He said there was a revised tranny part for the newer 04 models? I cant remember his exact words.

He also just got the MAzdaspeed bodykit...oh my is it one sexy car!

 

[Brian MP5T]

What a fantastic Show for Mazda!

 

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

So much for engine of the year.
I wonder how long it will take mazda to realize there are good reasons why no one else even bother with rotory engines

Apparently 7 years. I had a 2010 as well, but still didn't keep it. lol