MS3@ Geneva 06.

[Turbo_3]

a little help...

Hey,
If the MS3 has the same engine as the speed six then that will put it at about 247 hp right?

Well right now I am driving a regular mazda 3 sedan... I added the short ram cold air intake and a new magna flow muffler and some other small mods, I have the hp close to 205 and was wondering what else I could do to make the hp's increase with out a turbo/supercharger. I wanna keep the mods a little more on the simple side like I have already done... any ideas???

 

[mikeyb]

Hey,
If the MS3 has the same engine as the speed six then that will put it at about 247 hp right?

Well right now I am driving a regular mazda 3 sedan... I added the short ram cold air intake and a new magna flow muffler and some other small mods, I have the hp close to 205 and was wondering what else I could do to make the hp's increase with out a turbo/supercharger. I wanna keep the mods a little more on the simple side like I have already done... any ideas???

You mean 274hp for the Mazdaspeed. Is your Mazda3 have a 2.0 or 2.3?

 

[Turbo_3]

Yeah sorry, 274,
my mazda is a 2.3

any suggestions?

 

[chuyler1]

Hey,
If the MS3 has the same engine as the speed six then that will put it at about 247 hp right?

Well right now I am driving a regular mazda 3 sedan... I added the short ram cold air intake and a new magna flow muffler and some other small mods, I have the hp close to 205 and was wondering what else I could do to make the hp's increase with out a turbo/supercharger. I wanna keep the mods a little more on the simple side like I have already done... any ideas???

45HP from a CAI and muffler? That doesn't add up. Did you dyno your car?

 

[Rogue]

Yeah sorry, 274,
my mazda is a 2.3

any suggestions?

you need to go ask over in the Mazda3 section.

 

[Antoine]

Woah...First of all cool it guys...Let's keep a civil discussion going here...Second...Stay on topic!

I will remove any posts that are OFF-TOPIC.

That said...I think Mazda's reasoning is pretty close to what's been mentioned below...

Even if they went through all that s*** and added the 500 lb's of extra crap needed to make it work, it still would not compete directly with the WRX, and wouldn't even be close to the STI/Evo. It would be rated right about the same hp as the WRX, it would have a much less advanced AWD system, etc. However, as a FWD car, it's in the same bracket as the Cobalt SS, SRT-4 (current) Ion Redline, GTI, and it will still be very competitive with the WRX, it'll just have a slightly high 60' time.

This argument needs to end now. There is absoultely no reason to make the car AWD except for the very very small percentage of people who would even consider AWD neccesary in a car over fwd. With FWD, it will still be very capable in the snow, it will be lighter, it will be cheaper, it will put more power to the ground, and there's less stuff to break in a new model in a series that is plagued with problems.

Also it should be known that Mazda monitors these forums...I've heard from someone at Mazda that they are consistently SHOCKED at what some people claim to know about upcoming models.

 

[jononumber5]

http://www.4uka.com/news/00/100081.html

 

[tsunami]

45HP from a CAI and muffler? That doesn't add up. Did you dyno your car?

try more like 65... unless he has an engine dyno handy.... lol


but on topic i am going to wait for a bit to see whether the ms6 power loss issues arise with the ms3 and to see some testing and other members opinions before i would consider trading in my 3.... i bought the 04 model and really really enjoy it but am regretting not waiting and getting a later year model as the 06 has a lot more creature comforts that i could deffinatly enjoy (heated seats/mirrors for sure)

 

[Aricjm15]

If it is really that important to have an AWD mazda3 why not go with the volvo version of the car.
http://www.volvocars.us/Showroom/newS40/
the car can be had with a 6speed AWD and a turbo 5cylender engine. Yeah alot of it is different but the chassi is the same.

 

[jflo]

Geneva Motor Show preview: 2007 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3

Date posted: 02-15-2006

In-house tuner fever continues its sweep through the automotive world this spring, with new models popping up everywhere from AMG to SRT, from Ralliart to Mazdaspeed. The latest speedster from Mazda is the Mazdaspeed 3, the fourth vehicle to come from the in-house team (following the Protege, the MX-5 Miata, and the recently-released Mazdaspeed 6.) Mazda says the vehicle, which is powered by the same 2.3-liter turbo from the 6, will provide "a double dose of Zoom-Zoom driving fun." That should be plenty of zooms, but unfortunately they will all be forced out through the front wheels, since all-wheel drive will not be borrowed from the Mazdaspeed 6. Interestingly, Dodge also opted to go with the lighter-weight but less-grippy front-drive set-up for the new Caliber SRT4 shown at the Chicago show. We'll see how both fast five-doors perform when we put them head to head later this year.

everyone quit their bitching about AWD. the WRX is a rally-bred street car. same with the evolution. subaru was already selling WRXs everywhere but North America. mazda isn't about to compete with a company that has been specializing in the 4-wheel-drive-turbo-small-sedan niche. it's amazing how knowledgeable those that want the car with AWD and a sedan body are. 'cause you know, you can just slap on a chassis, a drivetrain, and a few parts here and there, and whaddaya know ! it's a car !

 

[Rogue]

someone brought up a point that all past "mazdaspeed" models have only been for one model year. Does anyone think they will do the same with the 6 and 3?

 

[tsunami]

i can see the ms6&3 staying around until their specific models are retired. i don't see the 3 going anywhere for a while and the 6 seems to be going good still, not as well as it was with the fusion out now but still a stronger seller then the 626 was....

 

[Puckpimp71]

someone brought up a point that all past "mazdaspeed" models have only been for one model year. Does anyone think they will do the same with the 6 and 3?

ummm MSM? and no, I thought Mazda was going to make 5000 MS6s a year.

 

[RODSCALIP5]

Just wanted to post something I had over a year ago

 

[MPSpeedSeraph]

someone brought up a point that all past "mazdaspeed" models have only been for one model year. Does anyone think they will do the same with the 6 and 3?

I doubt it, I don't see why Mazda would have dished the cash to create the vehicles if only for a year run.

I mean, Considering the MSP was brought out and then replaced by the 3 it's understandable that they released the MSP as the proteges last hurrah so to speak?

Maybe it's just my logic... but I don't see the MS6 going anywhere and I'm sure it'll be the same with the MS3 and MS8

 

[Antoine]

I agree...I think as long as the base model is in production...There will be the Mazdaspeed version sold along side it...

 

[TheMAN]

everyone quit their bitching about AWD. the WRX is a rally-bred street car. same with the evolution. subaru was already selling WRXs everywhere but North America. mazda isn't about to compete with a company that has been specializing in the 4-wheel-drive-turbo-small-sedan niche. it's amazing how knowledgeable those that want the car with AWD and a sedan body are. 'cause you know, you can just slap on a chassis, a drivetrain, and a few parts here and there, and whaddaya know ! it's a car !

mazda doesn't want to be seen as another car company producing WRC style or homogolized limited editions right now.... hard lessons were learned in the early 90s when mazda and nissan failed at their WRC racing... it also took a big hit on mazda finances because of the heavy cost burdens of producing a FIA mandated homogolized road car (if they were raced in Group A).... it took subaru many years to actually build up demand of WRXs to what it is now to allow them to be profitable.... also mazda is careful and doesn't want to reenter WRC racing yet also due to their lessons in the 90s

mazda is just being careful and doesn't want to take the risk in competing in the rally road car business right now... it's not they don't know how to build those cars, they DO compared to other companies like honda

the BK chassis was designed from the start to allow the installation of a 4WD drivetrain... the new premacy in japan (which shares the chassis) proves that... so some existing parts could be used if they actually wanted to

it would kick ass if mazda goes back to WRC rallying and sells road going versions of those cars though... still sucks that we never got the 323 GT-R... a kick ass car before the time of evos and wrxs

 

[spacemonkey]

But in this case I think cost is a big deal. They probally want to price this car around the $20K range. AWD will only add cost and weight to this car.

They put a AWD system in the Mazdaspeed 6 because when you charge $28-30K for a luxury sedan...it better not be FWD. Infact its hard to market any car as a sports car or luxury car at $26,000+ with FWD. Saab learned this the hard way. FWD is always a cost Saving measure. Honda/Acura found this out the hard way. Thus Acura is desperately trying to put AWD in their cars because their RWD technology is lacking. You spend $50K on a Acura RL and its FWD? lol They were the laughing stock of luxury sedans. Thus the MS6 was made to compete against Audi A6, Subaru Legacy and whatever in its class. Plus the inherit design of the car. The engine is transversly mounted to begin with. Im sure they wanted to make it RWD but its very hard making a Front engine RWD car when your engine is transversly mounted. Your transmission and Diff is one already...why not just add another on in the back and have a electric clutch to control power distribution? The engine bad was designed for a transverse FWD engine.

not to mention people driving a Mazdaspeed 6 are more family oriented and AWD is a great safety feature.

About Mazda racing in the WRC...TheMan is right. Mazda never capitalized off it to build a imagine in AWD. Look at the main advertising for Audi and Subaru which have staked their entire rep on AWD and WRC. Which is one reason why they never competed in Laemans racing again after 1991.

They banned rotary because of governing problems...its hard to make a rotary engine compete at teh same level as a piston engine.

But they retracted the ban a year or 2 after. But Mazda never capitalized off its Lemans win.

And Mazda has now invested alot in road racing. Alantic cars are not powered by the MZR. Star Mazda is powered by Renisis engine. They inked their name at Leguna Seca. Purchsed a 2nd road racing track in Japan as their "test track." they say on any given day at any road racing even their are mroe Mazda's then any other brand

Now hopefully with this new sponsorship Mazda can utilize it in its campaign.

Like, "hear of a sports car, zoom-zoom. Every Mazda car has its roots in racing i.e. Champ car, Alantic series, AMLS and etc."

it will be a great promotion as those race series use Mazda engiens found in production cars. and further promotes them as putting "sports car" technology in their cars.

 

[dmitrik4]

But in this case I think cost is a big deal. They probally want to price this car around the $20K range. AWD will only add cost and weight to this car.

They put a AWD system in the Mazdaspeed 6 because when you charge $28-30K for a luxury sedan...it better not be FWD.

well said.

and let's be honest...90% of the people here would only drive the car on the street anyway, and if you're reaching the limits of a car like the MS3 on a public road, you're an *****. none of us are driving in situations where FWD itself is THAT big of a limitation. like someone said before, it's an economy car, not a ferrari.

Till then... all you FWD lovin fools, enjoy the tourque steer!!

if you're going to keep pounding on the torque steer argument, at least spell it correctly.

 

[sjdmp5]

Till then... all you FWD lovin fools, enjoy the tourque steer!!

Mazda will probably limit boost in the first couple of gears to control torque steer. I like it and I want one.