Lsd Failure Thread

[BinaryRotary]

I thought I would never have my radio break. 1 year later my radio face flips out like everyone elses did. Same with this lsd, clunk, coolant leak, etc. Lets remember mentioning these problems only helps you in the future. Why deny the fact this car has problems? So Mazda can stiff you in the end saying your case in an isolated one and tell you to **** off b/c you abused your car? If there are multiple cases it just shows the part is known for failing. You are thinking like Mazda saying people abuse their car and that's why it breaks. Look at Ingrexo he had a stock car and it failed at 9000 miles? The 3 people who spoken out about their LSD have had low mileage. You gonna tell us all of us rag the s*** out of our cars when you go out and race every weekend? You are the one that should worry about the warranty b/c if they can prove you race your car you are abusing your car and goodbye warranty. The goal of this forum is to help other MSP owners out with issues. Our car is a limited production so we need all the feedback we can get so Mazda will get off their ass and fix it. In the end, this just benefits you the MSP owner. Be a part of the solution.

I don't have any issues so how would this benefit me? I work at a dealer, I can get whatever I need repaired, repaired. They also know that I know what I'm doing when I install a part or remove something.

I mean, its just getting old. All you guys do anymore is b**** about how this broke or how that broke. I hate my car, Mazda is a douche bag, whatever. Its just ridiculous. If you don't like that car, PLEASE, just sell it. Let somebody else take care of it.

And yes I race, but I also don't have any problems. Maybe somebody needs to figure how to launch a LSD equipped car, or how to shift correctly. Yes some things break, and go bad even when the car is stock.

Prior to contrary belief, Mazda didnt fix the hesitation because people whined. They already knew about it and fixed it after the units were sold, just like an other company would do.

Thats just the ******* facts of life. Deal with it. Don't whine like a bunch of bitches.

 

[LinuxRacr]

That doesn't change the fact that there are people with stock settings, and things are breaking. You work for a dealership, so your attitude is understood.. I know most of my issues I caused myself thru modification. This is not the case with these folks.

 

[Leigh]

You know what, thats pathetic. There are plenty of people here that DON'T have any problems and don't want word spread out that every ******* MSP has the same things go wrong with it. I drag race EVERY weekend, AutoX 2x a month, drive around on bad roads and have NEVER has half the problems you guys b**** about.

You mofos talk about stereotyping people, maybe you should stop stereotyping your own damn car. The problems you've had are probably from your own neglect or not knowing how to properly drive a car.

I think Mazda SHOULD buy back the car from you, because you DON'T ******* DESERVE IT.

I think you need to calm down. Just because you DON'T have problems, doesn't invalidate that others do. My car hasn't had a sniff of any of the large things reported yet, but one of the reasons I frequent this board is to keep track of what those problems are. That way, if/when something happens I have an idea where to look.

I will say that there's a tendency for people to do the alarmist thing and assume "its happened to him, so now it's bound to happen to me". And it can be annoying to try and figure out just how prevelant a problem actually is when everyone's on the warpath about it. This LSD problem for example - has anyone added to the original list of 3? 3 cars out of a run of several thousand does not make this a global problem. It does show a weak point in the car though and just because you haven't broken your LSD doesn't mean the part is fundamentally better than its being shown to be by the failures.

The MSP is not nessecarily problem ridden, but whenever new things come up people will remember all the things that have happened before. That's something you accept by reading this forum; that there may be a prevailant negitivity about the car at times due to widespread issues.

Neglect is not at the root of all problems, some of them are sincerely built in, and while taking the best care of your car you can is good preventetive work, there are still some things the best cared for MSP in the world can't nessecarily avoid. Its very arrogant of you to suggest otherwise - especially after admitting you abuse the vehicle by Dragging and AutoXing it regularly.

I will say if Mazda did offer to buy them back I would fight them tooth and nail to keep mine. I love my car. And if the engine, LSD, and god knows what else all blow up at some future point I will still have loved the car and not regret having purchased it.

 

[jaymode]

Did you guys notice anything before the LSD actually broke? I've been sensing some differences in the way the car drives recently and was actually thinking it was the LSD. What I'm noticing:

-transmission shudder at low rpm from launch, regardless of severity
-tires breaking loose much easier while turning
-poor alignment
-whine from car while at low speeds in gear.

I just passed 11k miles.

if that is the case, then i may be the fourth one on the list and I only have about 7500 miles. I am not exactly sure but lately i feel something wierd through the shifter, probably the shudder. And today I spun the tires launching pretty normally twice. So maybe mine is going? We will see.

 

[KyRaceFan]

Add Gcotton to the list of Blown diff's. His was not replaced under warranty because of his FMIC and 3in exhaust. He currently has an MP3 tranny in the car, and his diff is waiting to be rewelded by a local shop.
His went out at 15k miles or so.

Regardless of what anyone else says, this does look to be a weak spot in the MSP drivetrain.
How weak, i dont know, but it is something to think about.

 

[INGREXCO]

The point of this thread was to get an idea of how many have gone out. I knew when mine went i wasnt the first. if the list got big enough then the argument could start weather this should be taken to the next level. i am not trying to b**** about the car or mazda. the fact is i love my car even though it is a pain in the ass every now and then. for now all i need are posts on who has had their LSD go out and an estimate of when. Thank you.

 

[BinaryRotary]

I think you need to calm down. Just because you DON'T have problems, doesn't invalidate that others do. My car hasn't had a sniff of any of the large things reported yet, but one of the reasons I frequent this board is to keep track of what those problems are. That way, if/when something happens I have an idea where to look.

I will say that there's a tendency for people to do the alarmist thing and assume "its happened to him, so now it's bound to happen to me". And it can be annoying to try and figure out just how prevelant a problem actually is when everyone's on the warpath about it. This LSD problem for example - has anyone added to the original list of 3? 3 cars out of a run of several thousand does not make this a global problem. It does show a weak point in the car though and just because you haven't broken your LSD doesn't mean the part is fundamentally better than its being shown to be by the failures.

The MSP is not nessecarily problem ridden, but whenever new things come up people will remember all the things that have happened before. That's something you accept by reading this forum; that there may be a prevailant negitivity about the car at times due to widespread issues.

Neglect is not at the root of all problems, some of them are sincerely built in, and while taking the best care of your car you can is good preventetive work, there are still some things the best cared for MSP in the world can't nessecarily avoid. Its very arrogant of you to suggest otherwise - especially after admitting you abuse the vehicle by Dragging and AutoXing it regularly.

I will say if Mazda did offer to buy them back I would fight them tooth and nail to keep mine. I love my car. And if the engine, LSD, and god knows what else all blow up at some future point I will still have loved the car and not regret having purchased it.

I wouldnt say AutoX is abuse. Its what the car is meant to do, be driven, hard. Anyway, its not Mazdas fault, its all your guys' bad dealers. s*** breaks, thats life.

BTW, I have no problem with people that have things going wrong with their cars. Its good to know WTF is not working correctly or failing prematurely. But to constantly b**** about it like some kind of 2nd grade girl is stupid.

Mazda doesnt care about you corcerns and either do most of the dealers frankly. Thats the automobile world. Its been going on ever since they started cars and it's gonna be around forever. Cars arent perfect. When you build so many 1000's of units, things are going to go wrong.

Its cool to post whats wrong, I wouldnt be happy either if I had s*** breaking. But don't go around the forum bitching all the time.

 

[JDM Sam]

"Sell our car and let someone else take care of it."

Lets see, the warranty is so we don't have to take care of it if a part fails correct? Yet the dealer and Mazda cringes at the sound of warranty. Also ,certified techs that tell you they can't duplicate the problem. Real reassuring when you have a factory trained technican that tells you "there's nothing wrong with your car" yet you know exactly what the problem is and they have to depend on the customer to tell them about the problem.

You on the otherhand bendover everyday for a dealership. Of course they wont give you s***. They wouldn't give a damn if you swapped a big block chevy in it. If Mazda is going to stand by the claim that the parts used are quality products, they better honor their warranty if they fail! No ifs and or buts.

AUTO X not abuse? Per se Mazdas warranty clause warranty is void if vehicle is used for competition purposes. I think you just admitted to voiding your warranty! No but you know how to drive better than all of us. Did they teach that line in training?

Cars aren't perfect but there are federal laws and standards for automobile manufacturers. When we "b****" we let everyone know about our problems and it is for the benefit of everyone who owns that particular vehicle. If there are enough "bitches" something then can be done.

It's funny how if someone mentions Mazda makes a bad product to a Mazda employee, they get all rilled up and make excuses saying all cars have problems. Sounds like FORD's company strategies have leaked down to Mazda. Nothing but excuses for bad engineering. Rest assured this MSP is my last Mazda b/c Ford's company idealogies have now taken over. Mazda's quality reputation is going downhill with all the new models: RX-8, Mazda 6, and any platform with shared parts with a FORD. Overrating hp output on Miata and RX-8 engines.

If Mazda can't take criticism,they will never improve their products. But wait, they don't give a damn b/c FORD owns them, and they just want to take your money.

And most the bitching occurs b/c Mazda and the dealers fail to deliver good customer service. You think people would be bitching if they weren't treated like the customer doesn't know jack s*** about cars and push you off with some lame bulls*** excuse blaming the customer it was their fault it broke? You stated Mazda sold the MSP as a performance vehicle to be driven hard. Then you go and say we can't drive and thats why these cars are failing? Tell us how to drive oh wise one. You have the hypocrisy of MAZDA. Not surprising coming from a Mazda DEALER EMPLOYEE.

 

[1sty]

I don't have any issues so how would this benefit me? I work at a dealer, I can get whatever I need repaired, repaired. They also know that I know what I'm doing when I install a part or remove something.

That says it all. You have no concept about what the average owner goes through or the overwhelming bulls*** they have to fight with dealers about to get legitamit warrenty work done.

 

[instylz]

I'm not sure about this but wouldn't motor mounts help the LSD out a bit?

 

[INGREXCO]

I'm not sure about this but wouldn't motor mounts help the LSD out a bit?

i was honestly just thinking that this morning on my way out. if wheel hop is so hard on it that would make sence, anyone with some insight on that?

 

[70]

....(snip)...
It's funny how if someone mentions Mazda makes a bad product to a Mazda employee, they get all rilled up and make excuses saying all cars have problems. Sounds like FORD's company strategies have leaked down to Mazda. Nothing but excuses for bad engineering. Rest assured this MSP is my last Mazda b/c Ford's company idealogies have now taken over. Mazda's quality reputation is going downhill with all the new models: RX-8, Mazda 6, and any platform with shared parts with a FORD. Overrating hp output on Miata and RX-8 engines.
...(snip)...

How has Mazda's quality gone down hill with the Mazda6, RX-8 and other cars? The only car with a shared platform that Mazda had an issue with was the little SUV thing, the Tribute. The Mazda3 is Mazda, the Mazda6 V-6 version has a Ford block, the RX-8 is all Mazda...

The horsepower gripe is stupid too. It's not like the car was any slower becuase they revised the numbers for the US market. At least Mazda was honest and fixed the mistake, as where other companies lie all the time about horsepower numbers and no one bitches a fit there...

It is absolutely rediculous to blame Ford for issues on the MSP. The Protege is completely designed by Mazda and built in Japan. Ford had nothing to do with it.

The ECU and something with the seat belts are the ONLY Ford pieces in it. And the ECU problem comes from the great tuning job Callaway did. Put the blame where it goes. Callaway did a crappy job of putting the turbo kit together. The cooling system can't handle the added heat from the turbo, particularly when you up the boost on the stock car...And that issue is the OWNER'S fault.

If you don't let the car cool down properly, you are asking for cooling issues.

I could go on, but I'll get off my soap box now on that stuff...

As far as the unit in the MSP, it is actually a good unit. TFS makes good stuff and has inovative designs for decent prices that work quite well when used properly. Maybe you guys should go read the article in the MAY 2004 issue of Grassroots Motorsports to get an idea of how and what different limited slip transaxles are good for and what different types are...

 

[TurfBurn]

I don't have time to read through this whole thread.. .but I just got my MSP LSD... there are plenty of them available.. mazdaformance should have a good half dozen if not more... and mine arrived to my place like 3 days ago..

I also inspected it and I find nothing like what you are talking about. There are 0 welds on the unit other than the 16 or whatever rivet studs that hold the ring gear onto the differential body. There is one large black rod that runs through the narrower portion of the LSD between the gearing there... but in general I don't see anything like what you are talking about. It is one large cast part that is machined and has the gearing placed inside of it... So any help to get me to see what you are talking about would be great before I put this in my tranny in two weeks.

Later.

Steve

 

[LinuxRacr]

If everything works out, I should have this MSP transaxle with the LSD soon myself. I hope all this is cleared up before then.

 

[roni]

If everything works out, I should have this MSP transaxle with the LSD soon myself. I hope all this is cleared up before then.

I really hope these problems with the mazdaspeed lsd going bad won't affect me and my new lsd in my mp3.


patrick, are you are getting a new tranny altogether? or just the lsd?

 

[TurfBurn]

the thing too that makes no sense to me is the diff I have and the one in the picture DEFINITELY have different components and machining... Mine is rough nasty cast metal other than a few of the shoulders.... there is no spring (see the picturs on page 2) in the lower section... and some of the plates look a good bit different.... I'll take pics and post them... but I am considering having a weld put all the way around the diff on the bottom where the ring gear meets the narrower portion of the diff...

 

[aftershock63]

I just think ya'll bought car that were build on fridays

 

[roni]

the thing too that makes no sense to me is the diff I have and the one in the picture DEFINITELY have different components and machining... Mine is rough nasty cast metal other than a few of the shoulders.... there is no spring (see the picturs on page 2) in the lower section... and some of the plates look a good bit different.... I'll take pics and post them... but I am considering having a weld put all the way around the diff on the bottom where the ring gear meets the narrower portion of the diff...

Steve,

I'm glad to hear you finally got your differential.

As I had previously stated in a PM, my Mazdaspeed limited-slip differential wasn't finished being machined or wasn't machined properly from the factory. Apparently, they had to "finish machining" the differential. I don't know what exactly they had to do to get it to fit properly.

Also, I am not sure why there would be many differences between differentials. If you post pics of your differential, maybe we can do a comparison between the pictures we all have. I should be able to find pictures of mine from when it arrived at my house.

 

[TurfBurn]

I'll take pics to show you... but it's really a matter of just modifying the speedo gear a tiny bit... there is a radius on the diff that doesn't match the gear... pretty easy to fix... there is NO pressing needed to put that speedo gear on.... just goes on by itself... just needs a bit of sanding and you'll be all set... so...

I'll post pics of mine tonight or tomorrow so you guys can see the things I"m talking about.

Later.

Steve

 

[03MSPRO]

doesn't the Quaife LSD have lifetime warranty even if raced?

if my LSD ever breaks and my dealer blames me for abuse, I think I'll downgrade to open differential since I can't afford $1200 for a Quaife