Greddy E-manage for the MSP!

[azian6er]

bump

 

[Rainman]

The MAF has got to go

Been thinking about upgrading my MAF to a higher flowing unit for a while now. Wasn't sure whether there was something compatible. Was the Z32 the only option or were there others. If there were others why did you go with the Z32? Why do you have to leave the resistor off? Is this only for it to work with a fuel management unit? Is is necessary to upgrade to fuel management or can it work with the stock ECU? Appreciate any advice.

R

well, here's an update, sorry it's been a while:

1. i have been sorting out some issues over the past 3 weeks with a new MAF, i decided to go with a Z32 MAF from a 300zx...here is a suggestion that took me a while to figure out, if you are going to upgrade to a different MAF, then go ahead an install it at the same time that you install the Emanage and leave the resistor off from the wiring diagram...or, just make sure that you can get to the wiring to remove the resistor when you do upgrade.

2. also, i am going to be retuning some stuff, so i will post all of my maps so that you guys have something to work from that are starting with the Emanage. the maps will be posted by tomorrow at the latest...

 

[1FASTMSP]

the Z32 is the only option that i know of, but there could be others out there...

the resistor relates to the emanage wiring diagram for the MSP...

 

[1FASTMSP]

bump did you ever get this running really well before you sold it?

-B

YES!!!!

 

[1garnetredlx]

Britt I am not sure about the Greddy one, the last time I checked it was not even released, so it must have just came out.

This one will though, its the flyin miata one

http://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?action=product&itemid=85501

Does anyone know if the O2 modifier from the old Spool ITS kit will work? I would think it does the same thing but I'm not sure. I'm a few days from ordering everything I need but this is one of the last things that I need to figure out.

 

[KyRaceFan]

Id just go with the Flyin Miata o2 mod. Its a very very nice piece, and really easy to install.

I started my emanage install today, should be running tomorrow afternoon!

 

[1garnetredlx]

Id just go with the Flyin Miata o2 mod. Its a very very nice piece, and really easy to install.

I started my emanage install today, should be running tomorrow afternoon!

I was just curious because I already have the Spool one installed. If it does the same thing, I'd like to save the time and money. Thanks for the info and please keep us updated!

 

[KyRaceFan]

Im guessing it will. Sounds like its just a voltage clamp to keep the o2 sensor from sending the car into open loop, which is what you need for the emanage to work.

In other news, my car is nearly wired up, everything but the ignition harness. Of course we havent wired up the injector harness yet, and i dont have a map sensor, but that will all follow shortly when i order a walbro 255, put in the wrx 440s, and see what i can do without the map.

Its also exciting to know that my friend greg is also getting emanage for his MSP. So we'll have 2 black MSPs with emanage a mile from each other. Ordering his next week.

 

[project_msp]

I as well will be using an emanage for my new setup (check forums for my rebuild thread). Interested in seeing the results with a gt28rs + wagner shortblock

 

[1FASTMSP]

I as well will be using an emanage for my new setup (check forums for my rebuild thread). Interested in seeing the results with a gt28rs + wagner shortblock

that is a great setup, turn up the boost on that thing and see what it can do...i only got to run 11psi on my GT28RS because i did not want to blow the motor, but if your block is built, you should be good to go...let us know what happens

 

[1garnetredlx]

Im guessing it will. Sounds like its just a voltage clamp to keep the o2 sensor from sending the car into open loop, which is what you need for the emanage to work.

Sounds good. Thanks again for the info.I think I can also check it with the WDS. I will be ordering my Emanage shortly.

 

[azian6er]

if one were to only want to control timing and not fuel, what all would one need to install? would the pressure sensor and harness still be needed?

if i just want to tune the timing, all that would be needed is the emanage main unit and the fm o2 modifier and the ignition harness im assuming?

What does the emanage chart look like, it reads rpm vs. throttle? or rpm vs. boost?

-B

 

[azian6er]

looking around, it seems as if without the pressure sensor you can still tune for timing via maf voltage vs. rpm.

what i think i will do is run just the emanage unit with the 02 modifier and the 300zx maf. i believe that will be best. Fueling will come via a sds eic controller.

-B

 

[Mallard]

I read your other thread about wanting to try new things, but if you're going to go to the trouble of installing an e-manage, why waste the money on a redundant system while underutilizing the e-manage capabilities?

 

[1FASTMSP]

I read your other thread about wanting to try new things, but if you're going to go to the trouble of installing an e-manage, why waste the money on a redundant system while underutilizing the e-manage capabilities?

agreed...why not use the emanage to control the extra injectors?

 

[azian6er]

yes, this is what spoolinmp3 and orangezoom have said, and of course orangezoom has it running on his car right now working perfectly...the problem is that the ecu will automatically try to override the settings it has being input from the emanage in open loop (this is what i gather from all of the research i have done on our ecu and the emanage), so the O2 modifier tells the ecu that it is in closed loop so that you can continue to tune your car the way that you want and it will not fight against you....(someone correct me if i am wrong, but this is the way i understand it) so in short, you do have to have the O2 modifier to get the emanage to work....

is this true only for the fuel setting, or both fuel and timing? I will only use the emanage for timing..

-B

 

[azian6er]

agreed...why not use the emanage to control the extra injectors?

because then i dont have to buy wrx 440s. im trying to nickel and dime as much as i can lol.. plus my xtra injector setup is working great now! i only got it for 80 dollars.

-Bryan

 

[p5T]

is this true only for the fuel setting, or both fuel and timing? I will only use the emanage for timing..

-B

Before I boosted, I had the EM installed (basic EM just MAF and TPS) for about 8 weeks and used it only for timing, no problems, no O2 clamp @ the time(wouldn't have mattered anyway).

If you want to see what the EM software maps look like, you can download the 4 files from the yahoo group, and then download the winrar (it's like a zip). You don't need the EM to play with software.

You won't need the SDS. The EM has the capability.

 

[p5T]

if one were to only want to control timing and not fuel, what all would one need to install? would the pressure sensor and harness still be needed?

if i just want to tune the timing, all that would be needed is the emanage main unit and the fm o2 modifier and the ignition harness im assuming?

What does the emanage chart look like, it reads rpm vs. throttle? or rpm vs. boost?

-B

You can just use the main unit, ignition harness, cable for laptop and O2 clamp.
You will have to use the resistor in the MAF (1K) and have a good idea of where you boost curve begins.

Map would be better, but MAF/RPM/TPS will be adequate for under 8 psi.

 

[azian6er]

well, my motor is built and i am looking for 15-20 psi on a gt3037s turbo. The fuel isnt an issue, i just need to get rid of my stock maf sensor (it is maxxed even with a fuel cut defender) and use the emanage to keep my timing in check.

so, basically, can i tune timing alone up to 350 whp with a larger maf sensor (z32) and just the main emanage unit, or will i need the o2 signal modifier? Greddy now sells a modifier for the o2 sensor as well for only 25 us dollars. it shuts off the o2 sensor wire at a preset rpm. is this what the other clamps do?

-Bryan