best fmic?

[SpicyMSP]

(peep)

 

[Wiggles422]

(peep)

Yeah... I'm done.

 

[MrDiggler]

I'm glad this was brought back up. It was worth discussing again. I'm shopping for an upgraded IC right now, and leaning heavily toward a FMIC. Too many advantages (assuming, of course, that I can find a FMIC without too big a pressure drop). The SMIC route prevents using a larger radiator, and has limited available airflow.

As for overkill at lower boost, sure it is, and that's fine with me. I'd like a little headroom to move up when better internals get installed. I sure as hell don't want to buy an IC twice. I don't know about the rest of you, but my MSP runs like s*** in this 85-90 deg. humid air down South. The only time it pulls hard is when it's first pulled out of the garage after having all night to cool down. It heat soaks in less than 15 minutes when it's hot outside. These puppies run hot and seem to hold a ton of heat under the hood. Good for emissions, bad for intake charge temps. I don't think the problem is all in the stock SMIC either, because the intake gets hot as hell on my car. It just compounds the problem. I want a big, efficient IC, a larger radiator, a lower temp thermostat, and a good way to get heat out from under the hood. Until there's an affordable workaround for the overly rich factory programming, I want a denser intake charge to go with that extra fuel.

 

[Heathen23]

I'm glad this was brought back up. It was worth discussing again. I'm shopping for an upgraded IC right now, and leaning heavily toward a FMIC. Too many advantages (assuming, of course, that I can find a FMIC without too big a pressure drop). The SMIC route prevents using a larger radiator, and has limited available airflow.

As for overkill at lower boost, sure it is, and that's fine with me. I'd like a little headroom to move up when better internals get installed. I sure as hell don't want to buy an IC twice. I don't know about the rest of you, but my MSP runs like s*** in this 85-90 deg. humid air down South. The only time it pulls hard is when it's first pulled out of the garage after having all night to cool down. It heat soaks in less than 15 minutes when it's hot outside. These puppies run hot and seem to hold a ton of heat under the hood. Good for emissions, bad for intake charge temps. I don't think the problem is all in the stock SMIC either, because the intake gets hot as hell on my car. It just compounds the problem. I want a big, efficient IC, a larger radiator, a lower temp thermostat, and a good way to get heat out from under the hood. Until there's an affordable workaround for the overly rich factory programming, I want a denser intake charge to go with that extra fuel.

Since you want the larger rad the Ion is the best fit for you. Nice product and jack is very helpful. Maybe one of the upcoming kits like from BEGI will allow the larger rad also.

 

[brealmp3]

what about the kit listed on mantaray motorsports site, big price diff and you get fmic and all??? plz let me know because i want to boost my mp3 here soon and need to pick a kit.

late

 

[jurgs01]

Consdiering your calling out people about doing the homework you might want to take a look at your NA hood on your FI car

ps it's a spearco core

I have a modified regular protege SRI running the ram-air setup. Homework? Let's see. A CAI is placed lower on the car so it can get air from under the car so it is cooler. An SRI is just a short pipe for less restriction. A ram-air hood does not actually ram-air into the intake. It takes the fast flowing cooler air from outside and directs it to the intake of the SRI filter while shielding the moisture. This allows for cooler outside air to be taken in by the SRI as opposed to a regular SRI taking in hot engine air. So, by having this setup I get the benefeit of cold outside air like the CAI with the short non-restricive path of the SRI. There CAI or SRI debate solved in my book. And let's talk about financial consideration. Regular CF hood ~600-700 dollars + intake ~200+ dollars. "ram-air" hood $900. And it looks better than a regular CF hood. There is no ramming of air going on in the Ram air hood setup just like there is no ramming of air going on in a "Short ram intake." I spend a lot of time going over this with my physics instructors and Mech engineering graduate students (one who previously worked automotive engineering). I do spend time researching even on the hood (though I didn't expect to have to modify the SRI).

 

[Heathen23]

I have a modified regular protege SRI running the ram-air setup. Homework? Let's see. A CAI is placed lower on the car so it can get air from under the car so it is cooler. An SRI is just a short pipe for less restriction. A ram-air hood does not actually ram-air into the intake. It takes the fast flowing cooler air from outside and directs it to the intake of the SRI filter while shielding the moisture. This allows for cooler outside air to be taken in by the SRI as opposed to a regular SRI taking in hot engine air. So, by having this setup I get the benefeit of cold outside air like the CAI with the short non-restricive path of the SRI. There CAI or SRI debate solved in my book. And let's talk about financial consideration. Regular CF hood ~600-700 dollars + intake ~200+ dollars. "ram-air" hood $900. And it looks better than a regular CF hood. There is no ramming of air going on in the Ram air hood setup just like there is no ramming of air going on in a "Short ram intake." I spend a lot of time going over this with my physics instructors and Mech engineering graduate students (one who previously worked automotive engineering). I do spend time researching even on the hood (though I didn't expect to have to modify the SRI).

Nah, it's fine. I know what you are saying about the 2 inches difference in CAI/SRI. My point is you ordered a hood for NA design. Not a big deal and can be worked out to your advantage. But your posting very "holier than thou" about homework when in reality you ordered the wrong ******* hood.

I think the hood is awesome though if it can be worked properly, that's an ideal design and looks better IMO than any other vented hood. So I say more power to ya. I just want you to consider blanket statments about people doing their homework.

Your "bandwagon" post was rather attacking tis all

 

[Wiggles422]

You have a book?

 

[1FASTMP5]

I would still have wanted them to do dyno #s before I bought it. That's where the bandwagon comes in. Do you know what the cfm flow rate is through the Hiboost core? Do you know what type of core they use? I'm by no means saying that Hiboost has a bad FMIC, but it would be smart of all of you who are buying it for $900 to ask some of these questions. I have seen people jumping all over this and countless other products without all of the info. The reason I like to deal with vendors like ION and ********** is because they will always answer me if I ask questions like these.

bro, dyno#'s to me dont mean s***! every car will see different results. anybody could pay someone to review their products and pub it in a mag. do you know what kind of core Ion ues's??????? hi-boost use's a spearco core. i think ion's products are good, but if anyone is jumping on a bandwagon.... it's all the ''i love ion heads''
do as you will, and believe what you want.....but remember NOT everything you read on this forum or in a mag is the TRUTH!!! PERIOD

i also trust a company that makes THE best & most powerful p5 turbo kit still avalible to this day(and it's been out for over a year) alot more than a company that make's fmic,exht,cai..... that are all over priced!!!!

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

iON makes their own core...
who is this company that makes this turbo thats been around for a year,lol
do you know anyone else that makes the parts iON does?
do you know anyone else with the proven results iON has?
do you know anyone else that makes their own cores like iON does?
i dont...must not get around much?

i guess im a i love iON head? but i dont know of many companies or any company that has what iON has.
either way discreet > ALL(upyours)

 

[Wiggles422]

either way discreet > ALL(upyours)

:bs:












jk (eekdance)

 

[jurgs01]

I really didn't mean to insult people who actually did their research and bought the hiboost because it was their best choice, I am just trying to encourage people to do more research before they buy. There is a lot of impulse buyers out there who take people saying something on this forum as law. This forum is great, and I enjoy discussion and opinion I see. I mainly use it for ideas and entertainment, not for info. If I see an idea or product that looks interesting I research it, and there are a lot of ideas that I would never have thought of without this forum. I didn't buy the wrong hood, I called corksport (because I knew the hood was intended for NA) and they told me what they were sending was compatible with the MSP, so I assumed they would send me a MSP SRI. When I got the regular protege SRI I was pissed, as you can go read about in the Corksport review forum, but I had a nipple for the BPV and a mount tig welded on and it worked famously. I bought this hood against everyone's advice on the forum because I researched the idea and found them to be wrong. I personally will only buy from vendors who will answer every question I have about a product, and you can see those who take the time to answer (and you can tell who knows what they are talking about), and those who dodge around or don't give complete answers to questions I tend to avoid because they are not answering for one of two reasons: either they don't know or they know you won't like the answer. Either which way I don't want their product. Read through some of the threads about vendors products and see the questions asked and their responses and you will see what I'm saying.

 

[1FASTMP5]

iON makes their own core...
who is this company that makes this turbo thats been around for a year,lolboost
do you know anyone else that makes the parts iON does? -
do you know anyone else with the proven results iON has?
do you know anyone else that makes their own cores like iON does?
i dont...must not get around much?

i guess im a i love iON head? but i dont know of many companies or any company that has what iON has.
either way discreet > ALL(upyours)

d.s-
hey, bro dont get me wrong.....i was also looking into ion parts to.
but alot of there stuff is co-built with other companies. thats why they have such a long wait for parts. in the end i just wanted to go another route that no one has gone. i.e you & alot of others
maybe see if i can make the same if not more power than the guys with the ion parts.....(evil)

all-
btw, there where a few guys at protegefest that had all ion parts(fmic,t.b,cai) and i still took home fastest mod protege with no fmic.

one of the reason's hi-boost doesnt have a dyno yet for the fmic is because me & the guy who got the prototype kit arent @ stock boost.
im soon to dyno my s*** and we will see where i stand as far as hp. but i can tell you this it's well over 230+ with my mods. (eekdance)

btw, i believe that pann auto fmic dyno pulled more whp on there fmic than any other kit ive seen results for yet.....even ion. i think they gain somthing like a peak 19+whp on the powerband. check them out too. PEACE

 

[1FASTMP5]

I really didn't mean to insult people who actually did their research and bought the hiboost because it was their best choice, I am just trying to encourage people to do more research before they buy. There is a lot of impulse buyers out there who take people saying something on this forum as law. This forum is great, and I enjoy discussion and opinion I see. I mainly use it for ideas and entertainment, not for info. If I see an idea or product that looks interesting I research it, and there are a lot of ideas that I would never have thought of without this forum. I didn't buy the wrong hood, I called corksport (because I knew the hood was intended for NA) and they told me what they were sending was compatible with the MSP, so I assumed they would send me a MSP SRI. When I got the regular protege SRI I was pissed, as you can go read about in the Corksport review forum, but I had a nipple for the BPV and a mount tig welded on and it worked famously. I bought this hood against everyone's advice on the forum because I researched the idea and found them to be wrong. I personally will only buy from vendors who will answer every question I have about a product, and you can see those who take the time to answer (and you can tell who knows what they are talking about), and those who dodge around or don't give complete answers to questions I tend to avoid because they are not answering for one of two reasons: either they don't know or they know you won't like the answer. Either which way I don't want their product. Read through some of the threads about vendors products and see the questions asked and their responses and you will see what I'm saying.

no, hard feelings.......i agree with you on people doing their own research and see what suits them best. but remember alot of people just get on a thread and post ?'s that have been answered over and over in the first two pages. lol....
people NEED to read more.

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

lol if you can get 175+ on 6psi....youll be my idol.
dont get the 230 in your head to much....that was on a run from 3-4500...
we'll see when i dyno again.
lol do you think that 9psi added just made 50hp...i doubt it.

 

[1FASTMP5]

d.s-who is this company that makes this turbo thats been around for a year,lol


- sorry i edited the post....i was talking about the hi-boost p5 kit.
right now they have their p5 putting down around 300whp with all the goodies. (bowdown)

 

[1FASTMP5]

lol if you can get 175+ on 6psi....youll be my idol.
dont get the 230 in your head to much....that was on a run from 3-4500...
we'll see when i dyno again.
lol do you think that 9psi added just made 50hp...i doubt it.

no..no.. i was talking about me. lol
i thought you put down like 245whp or something?

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

we'll see saturday

 

[iON Performance]

Heathen23 - You may want to look across the pond out in Japan and in Europe at the high end competition level exhaust products for touring car or WRC, you'll notice that the type/style of welds are exactly the same as ours - hand-crafted TIG.

jurgs01<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1019707", true); </SCRIPT> - our FMIC core & full system has less pressure drop then stock.

1FASTMP5 - FYI the guy who you saw that had our FMIC kit, CAI & Full TBE was @ stock boost What are you boostin'?

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

jurgs01<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1019707", true); </SCRIPT> - our FMIC core & full system has less pressure drop then stock.

1FASTMP5 - FYI the guy who you saw that had our FMIC kit, CAI & Full TBE was @ stock boost What are you boostin'?

bout time you saw this man...i was all by myself here(friday)