An AWD MazdaSpeed?

[pluto316]

Actually 4WD is different because its not operating all the time. AWD is constant, or has no means to be engaged On or Off by the driver.

So like I said, 4WD =! AWD.

 

[BinaryRotary]

So like I said, 4WD =! AWD.

Okay, call me retarded, but I don't get it!!

 

[KpaBap]

i would love to make my P5 an AWD car. i don't care bout all the performance crap because everybody says different things, like this one is better for this and that one sucks for that, blablablaa

Before throwing s*** at the guy for wanting to do something cool with his car, did any of you ask him actually why he wants to do it ? I didn't see Droozor or pluto mention they wanted to own everybody in the 1/4 or do rally with their cars. So why insisting on the "fact" it doesn't launch good (i don't know) or that the suspension sucks for rallying ? I would LOVE to have AWD and you know why ? I love driving in the snow and AWD would make it soooo much better. And everytime someone says he wants to convert his car to AWD or dreams of reaching 300whp, there's ALWAYS someone saying "you shouild've bought a WRX" or STi or EVO or whatever car you can think of that has that power, while the guy wants to take the car he loves and bring it there. To me, an EVO aint nothing more than a regular Lancer that was modified. Actually, i think buying an EVO or STi is just taking the easy way out. Although i love those cars, i would admire more someone who would take a regular car and build it to compete against those 2 than buying it already done. Kinda like my friend who makes fun of me cause he beats my ass all the time with his M3 ... it just shows he has more money than i do.

Anyway, i'd love to see (and own) an AWD protege because of snow driving and stuff, and also because my car would be unique ... isn't that what most people are trying to do anyway?


(edit: fixed some horrible typos)

So let me get this straight, you'd spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of man hours in trying to make the MSP AWD, or you can just buy a used WRX for ~$17k which will already have AWD, a better motor, more hp & tq, and will be built in a factory which has been building AWD cars for decades (rather than in your garage).

It's a nice idea but Subaru already beat you to it, and for cheaper.

 

[KpaBap]

Okay, call me retarded, but I don't get it!!

He's trying to look intelligent and use programming syntax

In C++, the symbol != stands for (not equal to)

So what he's trying to say was that AWD is not the same as 4WD.

Instead, what he really said was that AWD is equal to NOT 4WD.



So I take it, the Sport20 has a low/high and on/off switch for the 4WD?

Or maybe no low range...

That would make a drivetrain swap even more pointless.

 

[BinaryRotary]

He's trying to look intelligent and use programming syntax

In C++, the symbol != stands for (not equal to)

So what he's trying to say was that AWD is not the same as 4WD.

Instead, what he really said was that AWD is equal to NOT 4WD.



So I take it, the Sport20 has a low/high and on/off switch for the 4WD?

Or maybe no low range...

That would make a drivetrain swap even more pointless.

Couldnt agree more.

 

[Metal MP5]

So let me get this straight, you'd spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of man hours in trying to make the MSP AWD, or you can just buy a used WRX for ~$17k which will already have AWD, a better motor, more hp & tq, and will be built in a factory which has been building AWD cars for decades (rather than in your garage).

It's a nice idea but Subaru already beat you to it, and for cheaper.

1st of all, i don't like what the WRX looks like. I loved the 2.5RS but really wouldnt get a WRX. But STi looks pretty nice. (opinion). 2nd of all, i dont buy used cars. So that leaves us with my P5 VS a brand new STi.

Cost of P5: 19995$ (canadian dollars, no equipment)
Cost of STi: 46995$

So from there ... i have 27000$ to modify my car. I'm sure that with 27000$ i can make my engine better and add boost to try to get ~250whp (Hiboost says he's done it, so why not ?). I have no idea how much all the other modifications would cost, but my point is, why buy a WRX to have a better motor, better AWD and everything when you don't want that car ? WRX is like 168whp according to some posts i've seen this week, which is very easy to get with the Stage2 spool or Hiboost turbo kits. From there, you have the extra 22000$ to make everything else better. If i wanted a WRX i woulda got it, or i would've bought an STi. I love my P5 and all i'm saying is that i think a P5 or MSP with lets say 250+whp with AWD is cooler to me than an STi.

But anyway, who said i wanted more hp/tq ? All i said was that i think having an MSP/P5 AWD is cooler than buying a WRX. Might cost more ... but anyway, its not something im planning on doing even though it would be nice. I don't wana mess up my car that much =)

 

[KpaBap]

Good luck getting the FS motor to make 250+ ALL-WHEEL horsepower.

Why WOULD I want a better motor, better drivetrain and better everything?

What could I possibly be thinking?

 

[chino]

I have an idea! Why don't we try to get every thread to degenerate into a MSP/P5 Vs. STi/EVO debate?


STFU

 

[BinaryRotary]

I have an idea! Why don't we try to get every thread to degenerate into a MSP/P5 Vs. STi/EVO debate?


STFU

WOOO HOOOO!!!!!!! I thinkz myz Buggattiii iz betterz!

 

[KpaBap]

 

[TRexPro5]

Oh, and it's been bugging me kids.. The Sport20 is 4WD.


AWD =! 4WD

If I recall correctly, the sport20 is listed as 4wd but for some reason I remember reading somewhere that it is actually AWD and the way the Japense badge it, is diffrent from the way we Americans do. This could be an urban legend, which as I think about it I kinda sounds like it could be... Prove me wrong!

Anyway, for the money you are going to drop into the Protege why not just trade it in for a WRX? It is my opinion that if Mazda wanted to make an 4wd/AWD car and bring it to the states they would.

Also do a search on the Mazdaspeed 6.... AWD turbo'd.... looks beautiful again probably just an urban legend .

 

[Metal MP5]

Good luck getting the FS motor to make 250+ ALL-WHEEL horsepower.

Why WOULD I want a better motor, better drivetrain and better everything?

What could I possibly be thinking?

And change car completely ? We're talking about making a protege AWD because i assume the guy wants to keep his protege and not buy a totally different car.

Let's say you buy a Viper and you start a thread about turbos or superchargers cause you'd like to do 10s 1/4 mile and i say "why didn't you buy a Mclaren instead ?" (or whatever car that has better chances at doing 10s). Maybe you don't see it that way ... maybe you'd be willing to sacrifice the looks of the car for a few 0,10 of seconds or better traction. Others wana keep what they have and try to gain those 10ths of seconds.

All this is pointless anyway. Its just a question of opinion.

And everybody, please don't forget that opinions are like assholes; everybody has one and some are shittier than others, especially when it someone else's.

 

[shaolin]

so why insisting that the suspension sucks for rallying ?

I love how this guy puts words in my mouth saying that I told him that his car wouldn't be good for rally due to the suspension. I told him that IF HE PLANS on rally-x he's going to have to totally retune his suspension....the MSP is tweaked for road racing and such. Not for Rally...it's a FACT.

 

[Metal MP5]

ok, maybe i assumed by mistake that that's what you wanted to say. So talking about retuning the suspension in an AWD thread is just like if i would tell him "you'll have to take the backseat out if you're planning on rallying" because back seat weight something. ITS A FACT

 

[TooleBox]

ok...

lets run with this...

to put the MSP in the same price bracket as the EVO and STi, we would easily have a good 10-11+ thousand dollars to work with (even more if you compare to the price of the STi)...

Forged internals, larger injectors, MAP fuel management, hardpipes and front mount, larger turbo, and an AWD setup derived from the J-Spec Familia...

This could be easily achieved while still beating the price of the EVO or STi by a couple thousand dollars...

will it ever happen? unfortunately, NO. with Mazda being a "Ford Family" car, they will never create a "compact" car that will dominate their "muscle" car. Ford will NEVER bring the Focus RS to the US as it would destroy their Cobra project.

It's all a matter of marketing... Ford/Mazda will not make a "economy" car (protege) that can out-run their newest muscle (the rx8)

Now Dodge has the right idea... I see SRT-4's smokin Vipers at the track on a regular basis... Dual marketing: you will always have the rich guy wanting the Viper for speed as well as a status symbol, but you can also sell to the tuner looking to beat the guy in the status symbol.

If only Mazda/Ford would learn... the sun would shine brightly that day

 

[Metal MP5]

this is all BS anyway but i love it =)

Arguing for nothing when i'm bored is what i like to do best. Cuz it annoys people and some get pissed off and it makes me laugh.

Everytime i start arguing or talking like we're doing here, i take the side of the person everybody else is against. No matter what i think about the subject so don't take it all too seriously. I actually think (seriously) that trying to make a protege AWD is a total waste of time, but i do think it would be cool. Like someone else said, its not worth the 1000s of $$$ and all the hours.

So have fun with this conversion if you do get the drivetrain, and good luck =)

 

[Brian MP5T]

ok...

lets run with this...

I didn't want to quote the whole thing as it's just up there...

I agree fully that the car and for that matter most cars have massive potential. I was shocked with the performace I got out of my MP5T. To say that Mazda will ever step up to the plate and make something worth buying is like you say, just not going to happen. s***.

 

[Vulcanon]

that's not exactly true brian, mazda makes amazingly powerful cars right off the bat...just none of them ever make it to the USA

 

[Brian MP5T]

that's not exactly true brian, mazda makes amazingly powerful cars right off the bat...just none of them ever make it to the USA

You are correct however that was what I was talking about...

Watered down Imports.

 

[Metal MP5]

will it ever happen? unfortunately, NO. with Mazda being a "Ford Family" car, they will never create a "compact" car that will dominate their "muscle" car. Ford will NEVER bring the Focus RS to the US as it would destroy their Cobra project.

good point. It sucks though, i wish they'd take their head out of their asses and realise there might be a market for it. They would have to figure out how to ameliorate their cobras which would end up being good for everybody interested.