77 Horsepower!

[kwiktsi]

well first stock rex's put 178-186 stock. have the dyno sheets to prove that and also 3' uppipe and downpipe and testpipes and exhaust dont net 80 to the wheels in awd r u crazy????? I have the dyno sheet of that to and it adds about 20-30whp if that. Done at Cobb Tuning in Rockwall, Tx at an awd dyno not the dynopack where you take the wheels off.

Also that sounds like a badass claim but like everyone said where r the dyno sheets. Plus think abou tthe Leaky ass BOV at that PSI?!

The other kid got 187 to the wheels at 12 psi with a filter and a BOV. thats also another thing to think about

1st- ever do a pressure test on the IC system to see if the BOV leaks? I have- it doesn't .. I thought it did when I got the car just because of how bad it ran, but that turned out to be normal ..

2nd- 187 at 12 psi through 2 cats, a resonator and 2.25" piping, where do you not see a 20 +whp gain from a much better flowing exhaust?

I am half tempted to dyno mine just to shut people up. If it will prove a point, I will call tomorrow to make an appointment... Jeesh..
Joe

 

[1sty]

I am half tempted to dyno mine just to shut people up. If it will prove a point, I will call tomorrow to make an appointment... Jeesh..
Joe

Thats all anyone has ever agued with you for. You have statements and no proof. Gives real, substaintial and unaguable proof and there is nothing left to debate or speculate against.

Giving recent events make sure to get a base line form the car dead stock .

 

[trekv2]

OMG I love the discussion but jebus people have a (beer) and a(smoke) on me!

BTW, all of you knowledgeable folks debating these topics I (bowdown) to you because the more you debate the more I learn! So keep up the debates

I'll go back to lurking on this thread and absorbing as much as possible (peep)

THANK YOU you took the worde out of my mouth!!! thank you joe, and prefworks (SP) and any one else that i did not mentuen, that actualy has a brain. i have learned a ALOT from yall about "tuning" this site debats too much, but its all good

 

[kwiktsi]

Thats all anyone has ever agued with you for. You have statements and no proof. Gives real, substaintial and unaguable proof and there is nothing left to debate or speculate against.

Giving recent events make sure to get a base line form the car dead stock .

Well, there goes that idea .. My car hasn't been dead stock since it had 150 miles on it .. We all have an "idea" of what a stock MSP will produce. So, that isn't much of a concern. If there were a dyno closer to me, I would have base lined mine long ago, but the closest one I know of is almost 2 hours away and I personally didn't give a damn what it would do stock .. I'll call tomorrow and see what they say. Later.
Joe

 

[servoeyes]

You can never debate too much! But...when it comes to debasing...that's different. If we can keep it civil, try not to scream to get our point across, then it might just get heard. It's through debate that new ideas and concepts are formed...I note the old injen thread...lots of mess, but when you sift through it there's a lot of great concepts and working models put forth. At the end of the day we should still be able to sit down and have a good drink with the person on the other end... (cheers)


I'll run a dyno on mine stock before I drop the injen in...there are two dyno shops within 15-20mins of me, and the conditions should be similar to those you'll have in Albany, kwiktsi. I'll even make note of atmospheric conditions for reference!

 

[kwiktsi]

You can never debate too much! But...when it comes to debasing...that's different. If we can keep it civil, try not to scream to get our point across, then it might just get heard. It's through debate that new ideas and concepts are formed...I note the old injen thread...lots of mess, but when you sift through it there's a lot of great concepts and working models put forth. At the end of the day we should still be able to sit down and have a good drink with the person on the other end... (cheers)


I'll run a dyno on mine stock before I drop the injen in...there are two dyno shops within 15-20mins of me, and the conditions should be similar to those you'll have in Albany, kwiktsi. I'll even make note of atmospheric conditions for reference!

cool, keep me posted.
Joe

 

[Vicocola]

debating sounds good, as long as everyone chill while debating... no pt arguing right now and we posted way too much within 2 days.. give him some time to print the dyno out... and for joe to call magnus to see wut's up... maybe they secretly tuned the hell outta the car without telling people

 

[boostisgood]

My car is back to stock, Ill baseline it, then re run with MY SRI. see what we get, then add the joe p fpr kit, then add my turbo xs BOV. (yes i believe this will gain hp cause the stock bov leaks imho)

Then we will have baseline, 1 mod, next mod, next mod, and as I add my exhaust (turbo back) FMIC, and Boost controller (unless joe wants to donate one for me next weekend when i run )

 

[kwiktsi]

My car is back to stock, Ill baseline it, then re run with MY SRI. see what we get, then add the joe p fpr kit, then add my turbo xs BOV. (yes i believe this will gain hp cause the stock bov leaks imho)

Then we will have baseline, 1 mod, next mod, next mod, and as I add my exhaust (turbo back) FMIC, and Boost controller (unless joe wants to donate one for me next weekend when i run )

I don't know that the FP kit will be good for any horsepower, it can be, but it would depend on weather, engine temps, etc...

Email me and I will hook you up with an MBC just to show the improvements ...
Joe

 

[boostisgood]

Email sent Joe, hopefully you can send it with my FPR. Hit me up at ilovemyspeed on AIm if ya need to.

 

[mspeedpro]

this is a long ass thread so it might have already been said... but can someone hook me up with alink to the article on the website? i went there and looked around but can not find anything.

 

[Kooldino]

Huh? Not $$$ for $$$ they don't.. A K&N and exhaust on an MSP (or any turbo car for that matter) will kill the gains you will get with the same things on a Honda. Now if you already take the plunge and put a turbo kit on a Honda, then they seem to handle the boost better and such, but not too different.
Joe

Well, I'm talking a boosted Honda vs a boosted protege.

 

[Kooldino]

Ok, we all know the ecu has issues. That issue being, RUNNING TO DAMN RICH. Now what does running rich mean? TOO MUCH FUEL< NOT ENOUGH AIR.

With that said, what is an engine? A BIG FRIKIN AIR PUMP. The more air in and out, In essence, means more h.p. Now running rich means more air is needed. A free flowing filter, and 3/4 inch larger exhaust minus restrictive cats. Hrrrmmmm seems to me that there would be a whole hell of alot more air. This would cut down on the richness of the vehicle, thus giving the ability to naturally produce more power to the higher volume of air now moving. Add in the extra PSI, I cant see why these numbers are sooooooo frikin hard for you NON MSP people to see.

Don't forget we have a MAF. Based on the the volume of air entering the car, it will still run the same air:fuel ratio. So by drawing in more air, you're not really leaning things out.

 

[Kooldino]

As for Being an asshole!
I am looking out for you guys for christ sake.
You think this type of thing hasn't been claimed before.
It has and it was never true, if it is fine. But I DEMAND more then a post about it to accept it.

How am I an asshole for Explianing exactly what the MSP is?

Are you guys that blind to think it is superior to any other protege?

Becuase someone takes the overbosted BS away and reveals the plain and simple truth and offers simple fact with a question of proof (which NO ONE HAS HAD THE BALLZ TO ANSWER!), I guess they are an asshole.
Fine, cool by me.

1st has a point guys, he's not BSing here. Just like my argument recently in another thread...notice that THE MOST WELL RESPECTED MEMBERS ON THIS FORUM are with 1st on this.

AGR-Chill with the "a-hole" stuff...1st has a reason to be fired up, he's making excellent points, but again, people are blinded by the love of their MSP.

 

[kwiktsi]

Don't forget we have a MAF. Based on the the volume of air entering the car, it will still run the same air:fuel ratio. So by drawing in more air, you're not really leaning things out.

That's where *I think* you're wrong.. From what I have seen- above 4500, it just dumps a predetermined amount of fuel. that is why the car runs extremely rich on hot days and a bit leaner on cold. That is why increasing air flow helps so much.

The 3rd gen RX7 I had was the same way- but lean. Anytime I did something to affect airflow, the ECU would have to be re-mapped to to add extra fuel to compensate- what a pain :mad: !!! I guess it was good that at least there are people to do the RX7 ECU ...

Also, I agree with you on the Honda thing.. We had an Integra in our group with a larger T3/T4 (can't remember the trim), FMIC, FMU, slightly larger injectors and an AFC- oh yeah- and an open downpipe . No internal mods to the motor. He would run 14-16 psi daily on pump gas.. Never been to the track, but on drag radials took out a ton of low 13, high 12 second cars with ease.. Drove it like that for almost 2 years and never had an issue, the car also had 150k+ on it when he started!!! Tuning played a big part in it living, but at least it was able to easily be tuned .
Joe

 

[Kooldino]

So 187WHP/194WT plus 20more Horsie Hoes from the exhaust is 207WHP...

Uhh, perhaps you missed the fact that 187whp was a TWELVE PSI. Not NINE. Big difference. SO even if we take your estimate of 20hp for the exhaust, we must first "subtract" power for the extra 3psi he's running. 3psi is a good 20whp on these cars. 187-20 (for less psi)=167. 167+20 (for exhaust)=*gasp* 187. Nowhere NEAR 207.

Perhaps with some tuning and da skilz ahem,
"Joe, Perfwoyks" 215-220WHP(or more) is possible.
(rockon)

Sure, it's possible NO DOUBT. But not with intake, an exhaust and an extra 2psi. Come on man, that's just silly.

 

[AGR]

As I mentioned; I'm not with or against. Attitude is what I was referring to. I have no chip on my shoulder because I have a 'Speed. But some here, that own other Protege's; think most or all MAZDASPEED owners do have an attitude thinking their 'Speeds are all high and mighty. Crazy!

I apologized! (see above) I have chilled! Again;;;;;sorry

 

[Kooldino]

That's where *I think* you're wrong.. From what I have seen- above 4500, it just dumps a predetermined amount of fuel. that is why the car runs extremely rich on hot days and a bit leaner on cold. That is why increasing air flow helps so much.

Just curious, how do you know it runs rich on hot days and leaner on cold? I take it you have a wideband? Also, richer when hot, could just be a precaution taken by the ECU. Who knows?

My thinking is this: yes, above 4500rpm @ WOT it's in open loop. But AFAIK, that just means that it's running a fixed air:fuel ratio and not paying attention to O2 sensors to see how things were burned. I'd think that it would still have to pay attention to the MAF to see how much air was being drawn in, or else it could lead to big drivability issues down the line. I really can't back up what I'm saying, but that just makes sense to me.

The 3rd gen RX7 I had was the same way- but lean. Anytime I did something to affect airflow, the ECU would have to be re-mapped to to add extra fuel to compensate- what a pain :mad: !!! I guess it was good that at least there are people to do the RX7 ECU ...

Did it have a MAS or a MAP?

Also, I agree with you on the Honda thing.. We had an Integra in our group with a larger T3/T4 (can't remember the trim), FMIC, FMU, slightly larger injectors and an AFC- oh yeah- and an open downpipe . No internal mods to the motor. He would run 14-16 psi daily on pump gas.. Never been to the track, but on drag radials took out a ton of low 13, high 12 second cars with ease.. Drove it like that for almost 2 years and never had an issue, the car also had 150k+ on it when he started!!! Tuning played a big part in it living, but at least it was able to easily be tuned .
Joe

Nuts! I wish our engines could fare that well so easily.

 

[boostisgood]

Joe hit the nail on the head, the car goes open look right around 4.5k rpms, thus ignoting most sensors and going with a predetermined fuel map. So by adding more air there, you will make more power by leaning out to a more stoich mix. If you look at the dyno chart, you can see where the car went to open loop, and it made the most power in the upper rpm band. It barely hit 200 hp before 4.5k rpms, where it will match what it thinks is proper fuel for the air injested. That is where a product like HKS AFC will come into play. after open loop would be a product like joe p's FPR kit.

 

[DooMer_MP3]

1st has a point guys, he's not BSing here. Just like my argument recently in another thread...notice that THE MOST WELL RESPECTED MEMBERS ON THIS FORUM are with 1st on this.

AGR-Chill with the "a-hole" stuff...1st has a reason to be fired up, he's making excellent points, but again, people are blinded by the love of their MSP.

Kooldino,
So after reading even more replies from you, I have but one question. Who's ..... KIDDING!

Chris