77 Horsepower!

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yashooa said:


That 77 extra WHP his car produces must really hurt your pussy Miss 1sty. Please people beware of the soft vagina-ed among us please remember them when you post your gains. They will wail in pain and whine like a young girl who is about to menstrate.
Please think of their feelings before bruising the tender coochie ones among us for they are our friends as well.

OUCH!!!! (wow).. Now I know why I love ya guy :).. I will be calling Magnus shortly and will pos tthe results of my conversation shortly. My money is on it being true. I am not going to get into any more explanation into why right now, I had had it with having to (smash) s*** into peoples heads around here. Belive it, fine- don't, fine. No sweat off my balls and my car will still kick the s*** out of yours (burnout)...
Joe
 
boostisgood said:
Ohhh, and another thing, please stop the bickering, you non MSP boys just totally proved the opposite that many of you all claim. By this I mean the flaming ,and negativity posted to others topics. :D

Good Day.


:D


It goes both ways
 
boostisgood said:


I dont think any of us are arguing the guys numbers, or if the numbers are valid. What we ARE arguing is the simple fact that with the MSP platform, and the mods the guy has, these numbers are not hard to obtain.

Ohhh, and the ECU IS TUNABLE, this directly from my Mazdaspeed tech at smail mazda in greensburg pa.

So your MSP ECU is tuned thenis what your saying.
Keep in mind Mazda has been promising the ew program to stop the damn hesitation in these cars acceleration.
The truth is the ECu will be tunable by MAZDA ONLY!

This is the same he said and they promised crap. Untill somene has it out and functional it doesn't yet matter.
Not to mention the original post in no way mentioned tuning the ECu thus my original and constant statement of "THERE IS MORE TO THIS STORY" Is of great rellivance.
 
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kwiktsi said:


OUCH!!!! (wow).. Now I know why I love ya guy :).. I will be calling Magnus shortly and will pos tthe results of my conversation shortly. My money is on it being true. I am not going to get into any more explanation into why right now, I had had it with having to (smash) s*** into peoples heads around here. Belive it, fine- don't, fine. No sweat off my balls and my car will still kick the s*** out of yours (burnout)...
Joe

Jesus what is so hard to understand here.
It is not my or anyone else's postition or need to believe or disbeileve you or any one else.

If you make a claim it is you resposibilty to PROVE IT!
until then it is speculation and pointless!
 
1St calm down man, I said its tunable, not that it IS tuned. Yeah, it might be ONLY tunable by MAzda, for now. Someone will always find a way to do things, as with many palm programmers, or laptop programs that will tune a factory ECU. It is out there.

I was referring to another post, not yours, so dont get your panties in a bunch. Again to enlighten you, we are arguing the fact that those numbers ARE attainable with those mods, not the numbers the guy posted as true.
 
AGR#7 said:


Dodging? I am dodging nothing. I do not have the knowledge to argue this about tuning, etc... When it comes to that subject, I listen and try to learn from others. I do not claim to know anything about extra power mods., and the like.

Hey! I'm one of the few here, that loves the car with 170HP!! Ain't it a miracle?!

Which is why it is so damn disconcerning to be assulted by someone for trying to make sure they and others don't get cought up in a web of BS that has shown no relevent proof.

AGR. You love your car, we know this. I have had mine for more then a year loinger then you and trust me even though financialy it keeps me unstable and has a fair share of issues I cannot part with it! No matter what I look to make it better. I have been doing that and reading everyhting I can for the last 2 years and these claims are BS If not fine I can easily admit I am wrong and WOULD LOVE TO DO SO. You think I don't want 77 more HP?
 
I think everybody has acknowledged that everyone posting in this thread needs to step back and take a deep breath.
ok, lets do that.
done
Now, I think it has been covered extensively here that XSIVSPD posted that his car made 77whp more than a similiar car without his modifications dynoed under completely different conditions.
Regretfully, I don't think he did a preliminary baseline.
Oh well, who cares.
His car makes lots of hp with some "basic" modifications, yay, good for him.
Are we done now?
 
boostisgood said:
1St calm down man, I said its tunable, not that it IS tuned. Yeah, it might be ONLY tunable by MAzda, for now. Someone will always find a way to do things, as with many palm programmers, or laptop programs that will tune a factory ECU. It is out there.

I was referring to another post, not yours, so dont get your panties in a bunch. Again to enlighten you, we are arguing the fact that those numbers ARE attainable with those mods, not the numbers the guy posted as true.

I am well aware of all that. But I have added something more.
Untill a "proclaimed mod is avialable and working then it is not relevanet. Yes in the future the ECU may be tweakable. Its possible but Mazda will have to hand over there codes first. Saying the ECu is tunable becuase a tech told you doesn't mean anything as you have no time line, realist idea of implimentation or extend of the tuning capability. Thus it doesn't really exist in any useable form for you and I yet.

You leave my panties out of this :D.
 
Logan said:

His car makes lots of hp with some "basic" modifications, yay, good for him.
Are we done now?

This is the statemnt at the heart of the agument.
Those basic mods can not yeild that much power. Not even in relevance to another dyno, in relavence to the 220whp, simply not possible. The capared to dyno or the "77" is not the argument I am making.
So we have several possibilities:

1. I, spoolin, kooldino and everyone else that have been playing with turbos on these cars for a year now are wrong and these numbers are possible.
- Sounds good to me, I like that much power too.
2. We are right and there is more to the story such as several unmentioned modifications.
3. The Dyno was simply way the hell off calibration.
 
GOtcha there Bro. :D I agree with your statement, and it is valid about the ECU.

Ohhh and ur panties got some skidders dood (butt)
 
God i cant believe im actually going to post this here with all this tension , but here it goes.

**climbs into saddams bunker***

First of all whoever would like to listen fine, whoever doesnt ,please dont flame this is my opinion substantiated by some relevant design theory.
Every engine in the world is designed with a certain potential power level that it can produce. This being said , value X HP and torque is produced on a stand. No restrictions , in a controlled envirement and so on and so on. I think i am speaking to people with some common sense so i dont have to go any deeper with that.
When an engine is installed on the car of choice many modifications to the intake , exhaust, restraint and drivetrain have restricted a certain amout of power that can be delivered to the wheels.
what im saying is simple, the engine is allready able to put out XXX HP . You are NOT CREATING more unless you change the variables used to make a more efficient combustion process.Cooler ambient air, a more strictly controlled pressurized manifold air charge , higher flow capacity exhaust, ETC.
Now IMO i think it is possible (percentage wise) to get that additional HP. BUT ITS TOUGH. Now you all need to understand that once you change the diameter of a downpipe from the original turbo (DOESNT MATTER IF ITS A T25), you are increasing the pressure differential in the exhaust system. That pressure diff. is what spools up a turbo FASTER. How does it do that you ask? well for those who dont know when you increase the downpipe diameter you are increasing the flow capacity of the system. You are creating a larger negative pressure after the the turbine wheel which will induce the exhaust gas to the larger (more negative) side faster to balance the system. Velocity will slow slightly but the additional force at the higher RPM will allow it move much more efficiently.
Now by increasing spoolin efficiency and and decreasing "lag time" your boost pressure will allow for a more dense mixture earlier in the rpm band. That is where you want it because your cam profile can use it and put it to work. Once you have generated enough torque down low, it is just a matter of maintaining it.AHHH the job of Horsepower comes in now. Add the the larger capacity exhaust and free flowing intake, rich mixture at higher rpm, constant boost against the valves across the entire rpm range and there you have it!!
It is much easier to make the power the engine was designed to put out once the (airpump) engine can breathe.Especially on the top end of the rpm band

In closing, i am not sure whether or not this or any mod that he has done has allowed this HP potential. But i am sure that it is possible.
Its amazing what forced induction can do to volumetric efficiency for the engine when it is allowed to proccess the air it is given:)
 
1st MP3 in NH said:


Which is why it is so damn disconcerning to be assulted by someone for trying to make sure they and others don't get cought up in a web of BS that has shown no relevent proof.

AGR. You love your car, we know this. I have had mine for more then a year loinger then you and trust me even though financialy it keeps me unstable and has a fair share of issues I cannot part with it! No matter what I look to make it better. I have been doing that and reading everyhting I can for the last 2 years and these claims are BS If not fine I can easily admit I am wrong and WOULD LOVE TO DO SO. You think I don't want 77 more HP?

First and foremost: I apologize for my behavior. On my way home; I'm thinking to myself; Greg! 'That was so stupid'. I was out of line calling you an asshole. That isn't me. I'm better than that.

Everyone here is an enthusiast. Some want different things out of their cars, than others. There is little question of my love for my car, and my passion for Sports cars and sedans alike. I have good friends with other makes of cars that are fantastic cars. I know what my MAZDASPEED is, and what it isn't. What's it capable of? I'm not sure. But; it will be fun to see what is achieved down the road. I know that the MP3s, P5s, and regular Proteges have posted some great #s in the past. Let's all have fun! (thumb)

Cheers everyone! (drinks)
 
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1st MP3 in NH said:


An MSP member at his finest.
Amazing, simply amazing.
He can find more way so call someone a pussy then anything else.
I am simply in ahw of his amazing insight into the situtation.

I have kept it totaly based on truth and experience and continue to do so even in the face of completly useless posts like this.

AGR- Wanna call me an asshole, be my guess!
yashooa- can me a pussy all you like!

In the end you have accomplished nothing but proving you are both irrelavent pricks that DON'T GIVE HALF A **** about anyone else unless they have an MSP which is apparently gods goft to the automotive industry as physics have no bearing on its potential.

1st (hehehe) I said you HAVE a pussy not that you are a pussy.
A sore one at that.

2cnd. I have accomplished something and that something is joy. Yes I have (with your help of course) given the most preciuos gift of all "laughter" to my fellow MSPer's, MP3er's, PR5er's, and just plain ole Protegeians.

3RD. So grab a Maxi-pad, spray some Bacteen on that sprained twat of yours and realize that the fact that I'm a prick doesn't mean that I cant bring just a little bit o light into all dem find people's day out there in Zoom Zoom land.

4th. Yes the MSP does defy the laws of physics just the other day I saw Einstein himself drive back from the dead to pick up Nicola Tesla and swing by Jamaica to grab Bob Marley and smoke some refer at the 25th Annual Jamaica days Dope Fest.

Peace out...
 
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yashooa said:


1st (hehehe) I said you HAVE a pussy not that you are a pussy.
A sore one at that.

2cnd. I have accomplished something and that something is joy. Yes I have (with your help of course) given the most preciuos gift of all "laughter" to my fellow MSPer's, MP3er's, PR5er's, and just plain ole Protegeians.

3RD. So grab a Maxi-pad, spray some Bacteen on that sprained twat of yours and realize that the fact that I'm a prick doesn't mean that I cant bring just a little bit o light into all dem find people's day out there in Zoom Zoom land.

4th. Yes the MSP does defy the laws of physics just the other day I saw Einstein himself drive back from the dead to pick up Nicola Tesla and swing by Jamaica to grab Bob Marley and smoke some refer at the 25th Annual Jamaica days Dope Fest.

Peace out...

Your very existance makes me question my stance as pro-life on the subject if abortion. :p
 
well first stock rex's put 178-186 stock. have the dyno sheets to prove that and also 3' uppipe and downpipe and testpipes and exhaust dont net 80 to the wheels in awd r u crazy????? I have the dyno sheet of that to and it adds about 20-30whp if that. Done at Cobb Tuning in Rockwall, Tx at an awd dyno not the dynopack where you take the wheels off.

Also that sounds like a badass claim but like everyone said where r the dyno sheets. Plus think abou tthe Leaky ass BOV at that PSI?!

The other kid got 187 to the wheels at 12 psi with a filter and a BOV. thats also another thing to think about
 
I-Am-Chris said:
well first stock rex's put 178-186 stock. have the dyno sheets to prove that and also 3' uppipe and downpipe and testpipes and exhaust dont net 80 to the wheels in awd r u crazy????? I have the dyno sheet of that to and it adds about 20-30whp if that. Done at Cobb Tuning in Rockwall, Tx at an awd dyno not the dynopack where you take the wheels off.

Also that sounds like a badass claim but like everyone said where r the dyno sheets. Plus think abou tthe Leaky ass BOV at that PSI?!

The other kid got 187 to the wheels at 12 psi with a filter and a BOV. thats also another thing to think about

So 187WHP/194WT plus 20more Horsie Hoes from the exhaust is 207WHP... Perhaps with some tuning and da skilz ahem,
"Joe, Perfwoyks" 215-220WHP(or more) is possible.

Sup Chris Ya MadMan

(rockon)
 
yashooa said:


So 187WHP/194WT plus 20more Horsie Hoes from the exhaust is 207WHP... Perhaps with some tuning and da skilz ahem,
"Joe, Perfwoyks" 215-220WHP(or more) is possible.

Sup Chris Ya MadMan

(rockon)
please read my post on page 9;) :D
 
Well Well Well time will tell.

perfworks said:

please read my post on page 9;) :D

OMG! You said ,"volumetric efficiency" ewww Im all tingly.

P.S. I hope that pump you speak of doesn't plug in the dash.
(crazy)
 
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yashooa said:


OMG! You said ,"volumetric efficiency" ewww Im all tingly.

P.S. I hope that pump you speak of doesn't plung in the dash.
(crazy)
LOL:D
 
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