Engine stutter

Oh, and on the studder/sputter, There's not much you can do about it unless you invest in the hardware and a custom tune. I've yet to find anything other than tuning that can really eliminate it. You can THINK you've cleared it up by making a few changes like spark plugs, stretching the contact springs, reseting the ECU with a battery disconnect or with a scan tool, but when the ECU settles back down into it's "normally" learned trims and behavior the problems returns.

The REAL problem is in the OEM ECU tuning, DBW throttle delays, and rev limit overlaps. The rich/lean/rich transitions as you wind it up and shift gears results in a stumble as it clears up and runs hard again. If you have a WOTbox, AP with FFS, or can shift your car at WOT without lifting it doesn't happen. If you rev it right near the limiter(past 6k), the flywheel momentum will carry it right past the rev limiter by up to several hundred rpms so that when you get back on the gas, the power has been cut by the ECU and it takes a several hundred milliseconds to recover.

The OEM tach is not very accurate, so to see all this happening, you'll need an AP or DH set to max recording rate to capture the data.
 
WOW DUDE!! You just gave a crap load of info in that little paragraph! Haha. So $300 for PARTS of a fuel pump.... What about just buying a fuel pump off of say... an STI or maybe another "performance" car??? If that sounds completly crazy, its cause i know NOTHING about fuel systems...
 
WOW DUDE!! You just gave a crap load of info in that little paragraph! Haha. So $300 for PARTS of a fuel pump.... What about just buying a fuel pump off of say... an STI or maybe another "performance" car??? If that sounds completly crazy, its cause i know NOTHING about fuel systems...

Not going to work. They won't push the pressures necessary for direct injection.
 
WOW DUDE!! You just gave a crap load of info in that little paragraph! Haha. So $300 for PARTS of a fuel pump.... What about just buying a fuel pump off of say... an STI or maybe another "performance" car??? If that sounds completly crazy, its cause i know NOTHING about fuel systems...


Yeah, like Blender says, the High Pressure Fuel Pump is specific to direct injection and an incredibly precision unit, not a simple rotary pump like in our fuel tank. Yes we have one there too that runs ~60psi up to the HPFP. The current HPFP internals are common to most DI engines. The KMD Tuning site is primarily a European car (VW, Audi, Porsche) site.
 
Hell, even my 800hp drag car only uses a 550psi electric pump. The CDFP's the MZR DISI's use push 1800+!
 
so unless im willing to drop the cash on this fuel pump upgrade, there is no solution?
spose ill have to live with it... this'll hurt the 1/4 times tho. :(

too bad i cant afford to fully build my MS6... someday...
 
There was also an ECU reflash available from the dealer that was designed to reduce this hesitation/stutter between shifts and on throttle application. It wasn't a be-all end all fix though. Some people still had issues and had their CDFP replaced by Mazda, and it still is there. Best bet is to get the KMD internals and install them if you know how and get a tune.
 
So if the one we use is so great then how could there be any issue with there not being enough fuel?

The requirements of the direct injection system are in excess of 1700psi. Due to manufacturing tolerances not all pumps are able to provide a sustained 1700+ psi output. Some tend to fall into the high 1400's even. Keep in mind that even at 1400psi, you're still pushing astronomical pressures for such a fluid. The STI pumps push 43.5psi just to put that into perspective.
 
Makes sense...So i did my taxes yesterday and im gettin $9100...Lol. So can these internals FIX my problems?
 
Makes sense...So i did my taxes yesterday and im gettin $9100...Lol. So can these internals FIX my problems?

I'd guess that going with the upgraded internals will raise the pressures produced by the CDFP across the rev range. That said, it should fix your issue. I recommend taking a datalog of DI fuel pressure before and after the install (once you break them in of course) for validation.
 
When I put on the HKS SQVIII I got this problem and it had alot of fluttering issues the BOV.. Now I put on the HKSSQVII and this problem is gone it no longer hesistates when I give it gas etc theres also alot less fluterring and the BOV seems less stiff than the V3 HKS bov
 
That's because if you allowed the valve to 'blow off', you're releasing metered air to the atmosphere and the car will run rich and act up.
 
That's because if you allowed the valve to 'blow off', you're releasing metered air to the atmosphere and the car will run rich and act up.


My Problem was the SQV3 was stiffer than the SQV2 obviously since it does not do the same thing. And I agree about the rich part I will shoot flames out the back between shifts sometimes.

But regarding power you dont lose any by venting to the ATM you might however loose response between shifts
 
My Problem was the SQV3 was stiffer than the SQV2 obviously since it does not do the same thing. And I agree about the rich part I will shoot flames out the back between shifts sometimes.

But regarding power you dont lose any by venting to the ATM you might however loose response between shifts

You do, however, run the car in a method it was not designed to run in. Unless you're tuning that out via the Standback, the car will not run as well as if you left it in recirc on your BPV.
 
I didnt even know there was more then 1 HKS version. Im planning to get that when i get my taxes, so what is the difference? I guess that is off topic so.....How about this, could my stock Valve be the problem and not the fuel pump?
 
I didnt even know there was more then 1 HKS version. Im planning to get that when i get my taxes, so what is the difference? I guess that is off topic so.....How about this, could my stock Valve be the problem and not the fuel pump?

You can see if your BPV is leaking by watching your boost levels in the car. Replacing it is probably not the answer. Also, you can do 'the pen test' by taking it off, pushing the piston in with a blunt object (use caution), put your finger over the small nipple, and release the piston. It should stay close to the compressed position.

If you do choose to replace your stock BPV, run it in 100% recirc, and buy a valve that can be set up this way. Skip the hybrids and 50/50 valves, look into a Forge or the SU/Turbosmart one if you want a simple, inexpensive replacement for the OEM valve.
 
I didnt even know there was more then 1 HKS version. Im planning to get that when i get my taxes, so what is the difference? I guess that is off topic so.....How about this, could my stock Valve be the problem and not the fuel pump?

^^^ as tunersteve said you can also run the HKS in full recirc with the adaptor it comes with.. Mines currently VTA but I will put it back to recirc in a bit.
 
You can see if your BPV is leaking by watching your boost levels in the car. Replacing it is probably not the answer. Also, you can do 'the pen test' by taking it off, pushing the piston in with a blunt object (use caution), put your finger over the small nipple, and release the piston. It should stay close to the compressed position.

If you do choose to replace your stock BPV, run it in 100% recirc, and buy a valve that can be set up this way. Skip the hybrids and 50/50 valves, look into a Forge or the SU/Turbosmart one if you want a simple, inexpensive replacement for the OEM valve.

Im just trying to think of anything it could be, cause i was once told with another car that a fuel pump either WORKS or does NOT WORK.
 

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