Who wants dibs on the XEDE PnP System?

[Captain KRM P5]

and if you have the Xede system in your car, don't you think mazda will be inspecting key wires for any signs of splicing? every system out there for this car seems to be detectable by mazda. unless Xede makes the system as a harness so that if things go wrong you can unplug the unit and put everything back as it was. chevy and ford have had these harnesses via different aftermarket companies (bulldog, ect.) for years, why can't the same be done for this car?

bingo! and if you go read this whole thread from its title to its start and to its finish, you'll see that its very purpose - despite the threadjacking and flaming - is to gauge interest in a PnP (plug and play) harness for XEDE as an option over splicing wires.

why do harnesses not get made for these cars? companies who make tuning hardware for systems that are plug and play past and present do so based on vehicle sales volume and potential part sales. for one, domestic vehicles such as the ones you mention typically sell in higher volumes than the mazdas we focus on. beyond that, with the exception of the miata and last gen RX7s, most engine management companies do not see any value in creating mazda specific harnesses. the harnesses are expensive to source from mazda, take a long time to get, and by the time you reproduce them, the likely number of people you will have that buy them is pretty small. domestic harnesses you don't have to call tokyo to procure. to most companies its not worth the investment. we have several of the harnesses already needed to make these systems plug and play. getting japan on the ball to send them in timely and cost effective manner is not easy.

its funny you mention Bully Dog. I approached them and Banks and a few other companies about doing DISI 2.3 Turbo systems and they told me it wasn't worth the investment due to limited production numbers and limited sales projections. same thing happened on the protege. they weren't even interested when i offered to foot the bill in its entirety. AEM pretty much told me unless it was a Honda or Acura they weren't even looking at doing it. Mazda is still viewed as more of a niche car by most companies and thats why, among other reasons, PnP systems are not readily available.

 

[SAVAGE70]

Im all for the XEDE. In my opinion it has already proved itself and can only get better. 1000 dollars well spent. Just let me know when the PNP is ready. I want to be one of the first to get one. Or if we can make a deposit to reserve one

 

[justhavnfun]

bingo! and if you go read this whole thread from its title to its start and to its finish, you'll see that its very purpose - despite the threadjacking and flaming - is to gauge interest in a PnP (plug and play) harness for XEDE as an option over splicing wires.

why do harnesses not get made for these cars? companies who make tuning hardware for systems that are plug and play past and present do so based on vehicle sales volume and potential part sales. for one, domestic vehicles such as the ones you mention typically sell in higher volumes than the mazdas we focus on. beyond that, with the exception of the miata and last gen RX7s, most engine management companies do not see any value in creating mazda specific harnesses. the harnesses are expensive to source from mazda, take a long time to get, and by the time you reproduce them, the likely number of people you will have that buy them is pretty small. domestic harnesses you don't have to call tokyo to procure. to most companies its not worth the investment. we have several of the harnesses already needed to make these systems plug and play. getting japan on the ball to send them in timely and cost effective manner is not easy.

its funny you mention Bully Dog. I approached them and Banks and a few other companies about doing DISI 2.3 Turbo systems and they told me it wasn't worth the investment due to limited production numbers and limited sales projections. same thing happened on the protege. they weren't even interested when i offered to foot the bill in its entirety. AEM pretty much told me unless it was a Honda or Acura they weren't even looking at doing it. Mazda is still viewed as more of a niche car by most companies and thats why, among other reasons, PnP systems are not readily available.

first, thanks for enlightning me on what PNP stood for. i feel like a ass. (thought it was the manufacturer of Xede) i understand the whole limited production vehicle issue, i knew that when i bought the car having already owned a few limited production cars in the past. i know it takes time to get anything from mazda. my ms3 was hit and run 4 weeks after i bought it and it took 6 weeks to get a new bumper cover. anyways, put me on the list and thanks for being polite about my ignorance on the PNP. you people and your abbreviations! they're killing me. you need some kind of index for the old schoolers.

 

[ZooMIN3]

This is great. Can't wait till its available.... one question, I have a MS3 being delivered in 3-4 months time frame. According to my dealer, its an 08 model; will this XEDE system be compatible? Or is this something that'll have to be tweaked a little to work with the 08s? The way I see it, we won't know until the 08 models are released...

However, if in the end it does work, you can count me in.

-J

PS I hate having the mod bug..... wallet seems to run dry?!! Hmm... CA-CHING! lol

 

[GoFast]

will this have an option to flash back to the fatory tune? also do you know if the dealer can tell if the computer was reprogrammed and then put back to stock?

 

[ZooMIN3]

will this have an option to flash back to the fatory tune? also do you know if the dealer can tell if the computer was reprogrammed and then put back to stock?

I beleive that it just re-maps the ECU for certain tuning options. It doesn't FLASH the ECU. At least I didn't see that it FLASHed the ECU when you installed it. So it should be good to go. The only thing as it is now, you have to hard wire it into your ECU's wiring... the guys here at ProtegeGarage are going to make it easier, where all we have to do, plug the connectors together without splicing, and you're set. If you need to take it off, just unplug the XEDE kit, and voila! You're back to a stock ECU, no flashing. Nice if you ask me. just like a radio install, with the proper harnesses, you can just plug and go... i like plug n play. *BORAT VOICE* HI FIVE!!! lol

I pulled this from the site:

XEDE Technical Specifications


* 1200 possible adjustments
* 0.1% accuracy on MAF, MAP, and TPS adjustments
* 0.1degree accuracy on timing adjustments
* Fully sealed, rugged, and lightweight housing
* Support for hall and reluctor type crank and / or cam timing signals
* Support for analog or frequency MAF and MAP / load signals
* One additional 10-bit analog input
* One auxiliary digital input / output
* Internal storage space for up to 12 tuning maps
* Built-in boost control (MSM & MS3 only. Coming soon for Miata)
* Self-configurable load axis, input and output variables, adjustment range, and math function for each map
* 'Map Select' input to change between one of two unique tuning maps
* Bi-color status LED
* Wideband Integration

Web Addy Below

http://mazda3online.web.aplus.net/product_info.php?cPath=281_22_160_259&products_id=715


-J

 

[Yoarashi]

will this have an option to flash back to the fatory tune? also do you know if the dealer can tell if the computer was reprogrammed and then put back to stock?

The xede unit is a interceptor type. It doesnt reflash anything. It intercepts the signals from the ecu and rewrites them and then sends them out. With the pnp harness its as simple as plugging it in. The unit comes with a base map that is pretty good but could be made much better if you found a shop to tune it for you. The best thing about this unit with the pnp harness is that if you have to go to the dealer you simply unplug the xede and go to mazda. They would have no way of knowing it was ever there.

 

[GoFast]

The xede unit is a interceptor type. It doesnt reflash anything. It intercepts the signals from the ecu and rewrites them and then sends them out. With the pnp harness its as simple as plugging it in. The unit comes with a base map that is pretty good but could be made much better if you found a shop to tune it for you. The best thing about this unit with the pnp harness is that if you have to go to the dealer you simply unplug the xede and go to mazda. They would have no way of knowing it was ever there.

very nice

 

[Micah]

so it's a piggyback

 

[GoFast]

well ad me to the PnP list

 

[MazdaSPD3]

Add me to The Plug and Play wire harness too.

 

[Shiftatredline]

Put me down also. I just put the deposit down for my new Speed3. I pick it up July 14th from the airport when I come back from Iraq. I already have a laundry list of parts to order before I leave so they will be stacked up waiting for me when I arrive home, lol. Hopefully the Xede PnP will be among them.

 

[nypest]

+1 on the pnp im in

 

[WickedMZR]

+1

 

[Captain KRM P5]

ETA on harnesses is end of july/mid july

 

[nypest]

ETA on harnesses is end of july/mid july

YES!!!!!! put me on the list

 

[BSTD3]

YES!!!!!! put me on the list

+1 here too! (dance)

 

[MadOzodi]

Just in time for my B-day!

 

[silver_ms3]

i will buy too

 

[maczter]

Any chance you guys will be doing a PnP harness for the MS6 as well? I have a friend whose interested.