Which is the best and cheapest Turbo kit

[niv]

I am so FRIGGIN sick of people going "do a search" whenever someone asks a question. Just answer them. Stop being an ass. And if you dont wanna answer them then fine, but dont say "do a search." There are so many threads I see that say that and when I DO A SEARCH all i find is threads saying "do a search". Maybe 2 years ago this was all fully discussed. Well Im sorry but I as well as others did not own my mazda 2 years ago. (bird) If this forum isn't good for someone asking legitimite questions, then what is it good for? If you just want to socialize get offline and go to a bar

some people just don't get it.... and apparently neither did you.

1. There was nothing "being an ass" about my reply - I wasn't being sarcastic or unhelpful..... (apparently you don't see it that way.)

2. The main point of the reply was to try to head off the thread becoming another wonderful MAM vs. HIBOOST thread. No offence meant to people who have posted in this thread.... but just look at the level of objective "helpfulness" this has elicited so far....

3. I'm not gonna fall into the trap of "question legitimacy" - that's way too subjective. I was trying to keep the thread objective and point out that you should do your own research to make up your own mind, not be a mindless drone who follows the crowd (might as well be a ricer!) but honestly if you've been on this board for any amount of time it isn't hard to find a thread that talks about each kit. many many threads in fact. let's get off the whole "legitimate" high horse, k?

4. Wanna explain how your post in anyway is useful or remotely on topic?
(stfu)

ps. all you found is threads that say do a search...??? what, are you searching for..."search"?????

pps. listen, i'm sure that, as students, neither one of us has time to type out long dissertations defending our honor, so if you want to/feel you need to continue, pm me.. i can't be bothered to waste my time arguing with someone i don't even know.(drinks)

 

[Captain KRM P5]

wasnt he running a 6lb pulley?

according to matty the boost never passed 4.5 psi. he and the designer estimated when the pulley was designed that it would push around or over 5 psi but this, according to matty when he dynoed, did not happen.

 

[uclap5]

290 whp / 15 psi = 19hp per PSI
160 whp / 4.5 psi = 35hp per PSI

nonetheless, these are numbers that cannot be nor should be directly compared because the products being discussed here on radically different on every level.

math = not good.


i make 100 whp/ 0 lbs of boost = OMG INFINITY HORSEPOWER PER PSI!!!

but seriously, you need to subtract the base whp number before the addition of boost. so it would be more accurate to say

60 whp/ 4.5 = 13.3 hp per psi
190 whp/ 15 psi = 12.6 hp per psi.

now that wasnt too hard was it?

 

[Captain KRM P5]

math = not good.


i make 100 whp/ 0 lbs of boost = OMG INFINITY HORSEPOWER PER PSI!!!

but seriously, you need to subtract the base whp number before the addition of boost. so it would be more accurate to say

60 whp/ 4.5 = 13.3 hp per psi
190 whp/ 15 psi = 12.6 hp per psi.

now that wasnt too hard was it?

i agree with this totally. i am aware the math was pretty bad (somewhat on purpose) and was trying to illustrate that the whole HP per PSI mudslingling was pretty pointless between rism and pdh when this;

15 psi for me and i'm at about 290whp... ?

not to knock anyone, but its really a pointless comparison because, even with your "good math" if thats all people went on to judge a kit, they might conclude more power is to be made from WOMP than a turbo kit without looking at anything else going into it.

 

[uclap5]

i actually didnt read much of the thread, so i dont really know what the arguments are.

 

[65racecoupe]

It is going to cost you some money to have 300 streetable reliable horses at the wheels.

If you don't need to go that fast, get a supercharger or put a decent turbo on your stock engine and go under 8 psi. You will probably be happy because your car will be TONS better. It won't be really fast, but it will be faster and enjoyable.

If you want to really go at it, I would think that it is hard to beat the MAM turbo set up. I personally know Beau and he makes quality parts that I am glad to be putting on my car. I am putting some money in it (built block, ported head, 15 + PSI, etc) and my car will rip.

It comes down to ....HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO SPEND?

 

[Captain KRM P5]

It comes down to ....HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO SPEND?

in this market there is no better statement than that

 

[Rism]

with the new blower matty is using im sure it will be over 170whp @ 4.5psi untuned.

 

[505zoom]

...Last i heard MAtty didn't know how to install a boost gauge...

(lol)

 

[Rism]

Jeez mam its not like you to jump on the flame train. I dont see any reason to be talking s***. No one was blasting your kits just stating facts and the fact is your kits are over 4k$ and mattys is under 3k$ yet makes just as much if not more hp per psi. Why would matty lie about how much boost he is making? You talk like he is a chronic liar yet givee no examples of him lying about anything regarding the WOMP.

The guy who made the thread wanted to know the best but cheapest FI kit. In my opinion its the WOMP. Sorry if you do not welcome others opinions but deal with it. It seems like you would rather smear fellow vendors to try and sell your kits. Rather than trying to inform a new member and help him make the choice that best suits him.

Here is the dyno you were asking for. Note that this was with the BD-600 SC he has now upgraded the kit to the BD-11a which flows 800cfm a good amount more than the bd-600. Thats why I predicted 170whp.
http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/attachment.php?attachmentid=40842
also this is untuned. There is also a dyno video out there but it doesnt show boost gauge so i dont know if you will accept it as legit.

 

[hesitationhater]

Let's see some dyno numbers/videos with the car running and see that boost gauge in action.

Won't happen. He doesn't believe in boost gauges. He is probably counting on the "10psi fuel cut" to let him know when he is pushing it too hard.

 

[Rism]

I never even mentioned your kits or your name in this thread. Pdhaudio started comparing them. I simply said, "Its cheaper than all the turbos but makes more hp per psi than pretty much all of em."
I specifically worded it that way to avoid this garbage. You have yourself to blame for this. Go back and read all my posts your name never shows up nor was it ever compared.

Im assuming this guy didnt know there was a SC out for the protege since it was censored for the past few months and doesnt have a thread about it in every section. So I decided to inform him.

 

[65racecoupe]

Yeah, a supercharger is cheaper, but you will run it's limit really quick. Even with a built engine, there is only so much boost you can run. You do get instant boost as the supercharger's speed is directly related to the engine speed while a turbo has a lag (takes a little time to spool up).

I had a Jackson Charger on my Integra LS. Other LS integs were much faster with just a 6 psi Greddy kit. I was not too happy. It was OK for the street, but.....

I am sorry, but 170 wheel HP at 4.5 or 5 psi doesn't sound right to me, a little guess dyno maybe?

With a turbo, you can run a lazy street tune on a stock engine on 8 psi and have 210 + HP to the wheels. I can make close to 400 HP to the wheels on my P5 on a built engine if I want (if I run a stand alone). I will be running a piggy back EM so I plan on 325 to the wheels, we will see.

Even if you don't build the engine, I see the turbo being a better value. I won't get into HiBoost vs. Mental Addiction, but I would go with a turbo.

I haven't seen anything but Beau's stuff so I won't comment on someone elses product, but Beau's kits are worth the money. He puts serious quality these kits. If you want the power, you need to spend the money. There is no sense spending 85% of the money and not getting what you want.

You will see a build up of my ride on the boards. Beau and I are making a wicked all around P5 out of my car. There will be dyno videos and pics to prove everything. Yes it is costly, but you do get what you pay for.

 

[igdrasil]

We made 290whp at 15psi on PUMP GAS 91octane.We had a total of 4 degrees of timing on this run.It was VERY conservitive tune.At 10psi we made 239whp..That is 13.9whp per psi.Where are these dyno sheets of the WOMP in action?Last i heard MAtty didn't know how to use or use the F10X or install a boost gauge..So how is this setup tuned?

4 degrees of total timing? that doesnt sounds right? or do you mean 4 degrees over the base timing? that would be 14 total timing which iis still very conservative.

 

[Rism]

I am sorry, but 170 wheel HP at 4.5 or 5 psi doesn't sound right to me, a little guess dyno maybe?

I posted a dyno of the bd-600 @ 4.5psi make 157.9hp untuned. When I said 170 @ 4.5psi I was referring to the new blower the bd-11a which flows more CFM at the same psi which = more power. Plus I realise turbos will make more power at the end but by the looks of it this kid isnt looking to spend thousands of dollars building his engine. I was simply giving him a cheaper yet powerful choice to look at. Which is I remember is what he wanted.

 

[65racecoupe]

If you can get 170 to the wheels, even at 6 psi, the protege would really wake up.

It is a good cheaper option for a daily driver if that is as FAR as you want to go with your power (for the most part).

 

[Rism]

If you can get 170 to the wheels, even at 6 psi, the protege would really wake up.

It is a good cheaper option for a daily driver if that is as FAR as you want to go with your power (for the most part).

Its not like the SC stops at 4.5psi. The max psi for this charger is 15psi all you need is a smaller pulley. And 15psi will make atleast 250whp probably more.

 

[Super Matty P]

wow, and after all the times I'm told to not bash other vendors products "the flavor of the month" is going to do it to me without any recourse.

Beau, I'm sorry you don't believe my 4.5psi boost rating on that dyno. I wish I had a video to back it up but I don't. I do know that one of my neighbors here (DavePro5) has driven my car and verified the boost NEVER gets to 5psi. I was ACTUALLY claiming 4.8psi but according to the haltech's MAP sensor we converted it to find out it's EXACTLY 4.5psi on the old blower. Originally I expected the pulley to make 6.5psi which would've been 1psi per 1K rpms...I thought this would be an ideal way to tune it. However, boost is the pressure measured inside the intake manifold and so it's going to vary slightly. I've said all along I was guesstimating how much boost it would make. No'one knows exactly without doing any initial testing and that dyno I posted was my first test.

Speaking of Blowers, the old blower I was using was a bd-600. It flowed 850cfm (at maximum safe rpms) the new bd-11A flows 975cfm (at maximum safe rpms). Using the same pulley I achieved 4.5psi with on this larger blower will most likely increase boost to 5.0psi or so. More cfm at the same speed = more air in the manifold. This is kinda common sense. How does this fact escape you?

My car dynod 98whp bone stock. With an ebay intake and ms muffler it went to 104whp. Going from 98whp to 158whp for under $3K is a deal if you ask anyone. Irregardless of whether or not you believe my boost claims. Once I get everything fine tuned with this new blower I'm going to be posting several new pics, dyno's and videos. Don't worry, you'll have time to try to think of some other B.S. to spout in this thread.

your current actions, Beau, make you look a little nervous there's a new kid in town. Maybe you should start working on some aluminum door lock pieces cause those are 1337! I promise I won't try to out-do those!
Maybe now would be a good time for you to create 9 more "H-Beam Rod group buy" threads.

 

[Super Matty P]

Are you high today? I can't follow your ramblings.

For starters, I USED to bash your followers, I've NEVER said anything about your rod GB until just then, not publically anyway. The only time I ever even questioned one of you products is when you were selling a $900 manifold that only showed like 8-9whp gain on 10psi. Even then all I said was "not a good bang for the buck". I didn't say anythign about you lying to people or misrepresenting your product or being a shady vendor. I've NEVER said that. Yet you have no problem saying that about me.

You are right though about one thing. I do tend to rub people the wrong way and the reason is because I say whatever is on my mind without regard to manners or feelings. You consider it slimey, I consider it brutally honest. Just depends on your point of view.

As far as me being a "bad vendor" I think you'd have to ask the people who have purchased from me what they think of me. That's the only REAL test of my character. Just because I'm snappy or rude online doesn't mean I'm a bad guy all the time. Sometimes I just get offended at stupid people. If you'd like question the people who have bought from me feel free to. I've been very upfront and honest with all of them as to when stuff was ordered, when it would be in and if there were any delays. I'm not exactly what else you think I should be doing.

I've never brought your name to the table on anything in th past several months. If you hadn't noticed I've left you alone all together. Then I get linked this thread to find you ATTEMPTING to discredit me. I thought you were the "bigger man". Then I see this. I guess I win this round.

 

[Rism]

Im still trying to find where the WOMP was directly compared to any MAM kit. The only person who brought it up was your friend pdhaudio on page 1.