Turtle wax ICE..Love it!

[ForceFed]

Oh..and on Topic....I bought the TW ICE because of this thread when it first came out...Apllied it to the tC...HATED IT.....Then it sat in my garage for a good year before I figured out one day that it is good for something...Keeping my nice bike shiny.

SO yeah..works pretty good on my Bike..but You couldn't ay me to use it on a car.

 

[ThrillRide]

WTF are you talking about..The paint is Fully cured in weeks..not years man.

Geez..who fed you this useless BS you are spreading.

And yes..I paint..so I guess I know a bit on the subject.
Not to mention...OEM finishes are baked and require EVEN LESS cure time.

thank you!

rightlook training at its best

 

[b-ron]

Here is a quote from Dawns web site I dug up.

"Your car surface and the dirt that gets on it are a lot different from the food soils and dishes that dishwashing liquids clean effectively. We don't recommend them for cleaning your car."

yes dawn will strip wax no question and no it wont ruin your paint the first tine you use it, but so does clay bar or a polish!!!! so its either do whats safest or lets do exactly the opposite that even dawn suggest.

while were at it lets change our oil every 50,000 miles

FORCEDFED: And yes..I paint..so I guess I know a bit on the subject.
Not to mention...OEM finishes are baked and require EVEN LESS cure time.

your not even supposed to wax your car for the first couple of month because the paint is not completely cured. it even says that in your owners book but you guys are the professionals dont mined me

 

[NCZ13]

what a strange circular arguement...

personally i dont use dawn on any of the cars of my clients, or my personal family cars.

if i have to remove a previous layers of protection, it usually comes off during the claybar and polish stage.

however a dawn wash isnt bad, you dont want it as your only car shampoo.

 

[b-ron]

what a strange circular arguement...

personally i dont use dawn on any of the cars of my clients, or my personal family cars.

if i have to remove a previous layers of protection, it usually comes off during the claybar and polish stage.

however a dawn wash isnt bad, you dont want it as your only car shampoo.

you made that seem so easy lol well said!!!!

 

[vinkalmann]

I still think I will try that Zaino stuff next just to see what the fuss is all about. They sell some detail spray that I like to use to do daily wipe downs so that is a plus. I will likely order a bottle of the All in One stuff and they detail spray for next time.

A couple of questions for those who use Zaino:

Is it the all in one stuff I should use?
Can you use regular meguiars or ICE car wash or do you have to use their stuff?
Meguiars Clay bar kit just as good as the Zaino version?

Basically all I want to do is buy the all in one and their detailer and use the car wash stuff that I can buy by the jug. Is that ok?

If you are going to try the Zaino treatment (you should) get the following from the Zaino site:

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=Zaino

Zaino Clay bar (doesn't necessarily have to be zaino, but it's just as easy to order at the same time as other stuff)
z5 (swirl remover, non abrasive)
z2 (polish, non abrasive)
z6 (gloss enhancer)
ZFX additive

You can basically buy this kit:

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2...e=ZKIT-1&Category_Code=Zaino&Product_Count=20

Read the site for details, but the process is basically:

1. Wash your car with Dawn (strips old wax and products)
2. Clay bar your entire car ( removes particles stuck in your finish)
3. Wash your car again with Dawn
4. Apply Z2
5. Apply Z5
6. Apply Z2
7. Apply Z7

Repeat steps 6 and 7 up to three times in a 24 hour period. The finish will continue to get shinier the more coats of z2 that are put on.

The z7 is gloss enhancer that you can use in between the major z2 treatments (looks great).

Zaino isn't cheap and is fairly labor intensive initially. The results are WELL worth it. My black mica speed 3 looks amazing after it's done. It's a snap to wash the car again as the dirt slips right off. The finish lasts for several months, much longer than carnuba.

The all in one solution you were referring to is new and I haven't tried it. Note that this product has a mild abrasive where Z2 and Z5 don't.

 

[ForceFed]

your not even supposed to wax your car for the first couple of month because the paint is not completely cured. it even says that in your owners book but you guys are the professionals dont mined me

And what was this point you were trying to make here?

....We never said anything about the time needed BEFORE you are allowed to wax after paint OR getting a new car...
Your dumb comment said that even after a year the paint was not fully cured.
Wrong.
Period.

It takes weeks..Not months....and it really doesn't get harder..but it does release chemicals out of the paint while curing that the wax would seal in.

You CAN HOWEVER..Polish your Fresh Paint....Just not wax it.
There are many products widely available to do this with.
Polish washes off after a couple of cycles and allows the paint to "breathe" during its curing process while still protecting the finish.


You got any other bright ideas or comments you want to throw my way? (boom03)

 

[ThrillRide]

And what was this point you were trying to make here?

....We never said anything about the time needed BEFORE you are allowed to wax after paint OR getting a new car...
Your dumb comment said that even after a year the paint was not fully cured.
Wrong.
Period.

It takes weeks..Not months....and it really doesn't get harder..but it does release chemicals out of the paint while curing that the wax would seal in.

You CAN HOWEVER..Polish your Fresh Paint....Just not wax it.
There are many products widely available to do this with.
Polish washes off after a couple of cycles and allows the paint to "breathe" during its curing process while still protecting the finish.


You got any other bright ideas or comments you want to throw my way? (boom03)

True stuff.
Except you can actually wax with a carnauba wax because of its natural breathability. Synthetic sealants however will not allow it to off-gas.

And besides, (for most of us) by the time the car rolls off the line and makes it to its destination and you make the purchase the paint is good to go.

 

[whitey4311]

I just had body work done on my fender and the guy said wait 6 weeks to wax but I couldnt take it any longer and did it after about 2-3 weeks of hot weather so figured the paint was fine.

ThrillRide thank you very much for your time and that info. I dont think I will be buying all those kits as that is a bit crazy for me. I am just looking for a nice wax job and it seems despite what is being said the ICE paste looks very good to my wax ignorant eye, lol.

But who knows maybe I will buy it and go crazy one day and see what the results are like. The pics in the testimonials are amazing and pretty much have me sold on that kit you linked me to.

 

[sunny4201]

Does the Liquid Ice have the same results as the paste Ice? i have bought the liquid ice and it does not seem to last that long.

The smoothness goes away in 5-7 days.

 

[whitey4311]

The liquid I think is a dumb idea that I dont see how could work. I used the paste and love it so far. It seems to be looking better then NXT did in the same amount of time. I need more time to give it a final thought but so far so good.

PS called TW and they said the paste was better because it lasts longer and gives a more durable finish.

 

[controlo]

The liquid I think is a dumb idea that I dont see how could work. I used the paste and love it so far. It seems to be looking better then NXT did in the same amount of time. I need more time to give it a final thought but so far so good.

PS called TW and they said the paste was better because it lasts longer and gives a more durable finish.

yeah, i would think any kind of liquid paste or paste would be more durable than a pure liquid. it's kind of annoying how manufacturers label products with the same name that have different results and different durabilities, etc.

 

[Je5ter]

This product for what it is is VERY GOOD. I used the liquid clay bar treatment and liquid Ice polish. The liquid clay bar did exactly what it is suppose to do (took off all the road crud, polution and grime that has built up on it and the paint was very smooth after treatment) with ease. It took me about 25 mins to apply the clay bar treatment, it washed off very easily as well. After I dried the car it took me about 20 mins to apply the polish and to wipe it off. I highly recomend this product for value, quality and ease of use.. I'm very happy with it.

 

[NCZ13]

yeah but you really didnt remove the bonded containments from your paint. what removes them is the shearing action of the clay on the paint. all that liquid does is scrub the paint, and in theory would marr the paint really badly if it did what it was supposed to do.

while your scrubbing away, your just dragging all your that embedded s*** across the paint.

but really all that liquid clay stuff is, is a pre wax cleaner.

 

[controlo]

yeah but you really didnt remove the bonded containments from your paint. what removes them is the shearing action of the clay on the paint. all that liquid does is scrub the paint, and in theory would marr the paint really badly if it did what it was supposed to do.

while your scrubbing away, your just dragging all your that embedded s*** across the paint.

but really all that liquid clay stuff is, is a pre wax cleaner.

+1. i'm not down for liquid clay. that doesn't even make sense, lol.

 

[Je5ter]

Well it felt pretty damn smooth to me and didnt leave any swrill marks or scratches....

 

[NCZ13]

your car is white, and most people dont know what to look for when it comes to micro marring and scratches, had your car been black you would have seen it right away in the sunlight.

 

[controlo]

your car is white, and most people dont know what to look for when it comes to micro marring and scratches, had your car been black you would have seen it right away in the sunlight.

well i wouldn't jump to conclusions. it's not a certainty that you'd damage the paint. it's probably more likely to damage paint than using a real clay bar though.

 

[Je5ter]

I work for Mercedes-Benz and see cars detailed every day. I know what to look for for damaged paint or poor paint maintenance. This stuff doesn't do it. Like I said, for what this product is it is well worth the money and time saved for a freshly waxed/polished looking vehicle. No it's not going to last weeks or months but at 45 mins a pop it doesn't matter.

 

[whitey4311]

Well I gave up on the ICE s***. Had a light rain and after a just waxed car and not even 1 wash since I had water spots bad on my rear step just under the hatch. I get them no matter what but this time was much worse.

I went out and got Meguiars Scatch X and their new NXT 2.0. I am much happier and it looks better then it did with the ICE. I have my receipt so I will call TW on Monday and request to send back the unused portions for a money back guarantee.

I did the entire car in Scratch X since my MS3 is black and with talking to Meguiars Tech support they said that would be the best thing to prep the paint and remove the old wax.

I have not had the car out in the sun yet to really get a good look and as a matter of fact only had time to remove half the wax from the car so I need to go finish right not. I will post back what I find but so far I am back to using Meguairs stuff and no longer use the ice.

PS I may just use the ICE on the plastics to avoid the hassle in sending it back. Sounds like a good idea to use that instead of the greasy Mothers Back to Black. This way when a bit of it gets on the paint its not all greasy and smeared.