RS4 model? May be interested as that's the same model as the HPI i currently have and is more of a parts donor now.
At the end of the day you may be right Jon. I for one feel they make far too much. Just sayin.
So that begs a good question: How much should they make? I'm sure some people think I make too much...
If you were in their position do you think you would feel the same? Or is this just another, I don't like what they are getting because I'm not getting it?At the end of the day you may be right Jon. I for one feel they make far too much. Just sayin.
Unfortunately, the CEO's salary barely affects the cost of a car. It is the million little things required.
TPMS
AirBags
Better Crumple Zones
ABS/TCS/Stabilization
Fuel efficiency requirements have a huge impact
Power windows are on almost every car
Audio packages are almost impossible to get away from
Inter car communication so your car knows what is going on
The new low speed braking systems that stop your car for you
The big one is backup cameras, which aside from the camera, require a screen of some sorts, which can be expensive. Now every car will have a gigantic tv screen in the dash, and a "base" am/fm/cd player is a think of the past. Not to mention, the liability implications when someone wants to replace the radio and it can't integrate/operate the backup camera.
I didn't even go into how they are achieving fuel efficiency standards. The new F150 will look the same but have 100% aluminum body panels and cab. That is incredibly more expensive than stamped steel. I bet you some of these automakers could a great car for near the 10k range if it was the size of a focus, with a basic NA motor, ABS, no TCS, manual transmission, basic audio system, crank windows, cloth seats. They just don't want to, or can't due to minimum requirements.
Right on. Go back 15 years and this was possible.
My old car was $12k brand new. No power steering, no power locks/Windows, no abs. Just basic s***...
I think your last comment is dead-on.I didn't even go into how they are achieving fuel efficiency standards. The new F150 will look the same but have 100% aluminum body panels and cab. That is incredibly more expensive than stamped steel. I bet you some of these automakers could a great car for near the 10k range if it was the size of a focus, with a basic NA motor, ABS, no TCS, manual transmission, basic audio system, crank windows, cloth seats. They just don't want to, or can't due to minimum requirements.
LOL, love the old Saturn's. I particularly that the manual right mirror and A/C were options. Note it still had airbags and DRL though...Right on. Go back 15 years and this was possible.
My old car was $12k brand new. No power steering, no power locks/Windows, no abs. Just basic s***...
Right on. Go back 15 years and this was possible.
My old car was $12k brand new. No power steering, no power locks/Windows, no abs. Just basic s***...
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I love when the whole power argument comes up. Why so little power???? b****, 4 cylinders used to be lucky to make 130 hp. Now they're making 170+ in the same weight of a car. STFU.
Quite true. My turbocharged 1.4 puts out almost the same power as the turbocharged 2.0 that was in the MSP.