The Ohio Random Thread... aka We Should Probably Be Working

At the end of the day you may be right Jon. I for one feel they make far too much. Just sayin.
 
So that begs a good question: How much should they make? I'm sure some people think I make too much...

commission based off # of cars sold!?!?

To me it's no different than sports or selling used car parts. Things are worth whatever other people are willing to pay. If a board of directors wants to give a CEO a billion dollars, good for that CEO. It might be bad for the rest of the company, i.e. He's a terrible CEO or no raises at the bottom position (Trickle down economics fail but that's for another discussion) but it's the Board's fault not the CEO's.

In the case of GM, that's just a giant clusterfuck.
 
At the end of the day you may be right Jon. I for one feel they make far too much. Just sayin.
If you were in their position do you think you would feel the same? Or is this just another, I don't like what they are getting because I'm not getting it?
I work under the CIO of the company and I for one don't feel he makes enough. He works very hard for what he has and has put in plenty of countless late nights and time studying for multiple certifications and licenses to make him the best possible let candidate to be responsible for billions of dollars in the company portfolio. If you did what he has done then the average Joe would be in his position and not questioning what he has worked very hard for and is continuing to work everyday to keep for the betterment of himself along with all the employees welfare he is responsible for as well.
 
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Unfortunately, the CEO's salary barely affects the cost of a car. It is the million little things required.

TPMS
AirBags
Better Crumple Zones
ABS/TCS/Stabilization
Fuel efficiency requirements have a huge impact
Power windows are on almost every car
Audio packages are almost impossible to get away from
Inter car communication so your car knows what is going on
The new low speed braking systems that stop your car for you
The big one is backup cameras, which aside from the camera, require a screen of some sorts, which can be expensive. Now every car will have a gigantic tv screen in the dash, and a "base" am/fm/cd player is a think of the past. Not to mention, the liability implications when someone wants to replace the radio and it can't integrate/operate the backup camera.
 
Unfortunately, the CEO's salary barely affects the cost of a car. It is the million little things required.

TPMS
AirBags
Better Crumple Zones
ABS/TCS/Stabilization
Fuel efficiency requirements have a huge impact
Power windows are on almost every car
Audio packages are almost impossible to get away from
Inter car communication so your car knows what is going on
The new low speed braking systems that stop your car for you
The big one is backup cameras, which aside from the camera, require a screen of some sorts, which can be expensive. Now every car will have a gigantic tv screen in the dash, and a "base" am/fm/cd player is a think of the past. Not to mention, the liability implications when someone wants to replace the radio and it can't integrate/operate the backup camera.

Agreed. You really can't get a bare-bones car these days. It also doesn't help that inflation is going crazy right now and very few people's salaries/wages are increasing at the same rate. At least interest rates are at an all-time low.

But to answer the original question I'd be more interested in what the CEO think is the future of the car industry. What new technologies are they investing in or developing? Are they going to go with hybrid/electric or alternative fuel vehicles?
 
I didn't even go into how they are achieving fuel efficiency standards. The new F150 will look the same but have 100% aluminum body panels and cab. That is incredibly more expensive than stamped steel. I bet you some of these automakers could a great car for near the 10k range if it was the size of a focus, with a basic NA motor, ABS, no TCS, manual transmission, basic audio system, crank windows, cloth seats. They just don't want to, or can't due to minimum requirements.
 
I didn't even go into how they are achieving fuel efficiency standards. The new F150 will look the same but have 100% aluminum body panels and cab. That is incredibly more expensive than stamped steel. I bet you some of these automakers could a great car for near the 10k range if it was the size of a focus, with a basic NA motor, ABS, no TCS, manual transmission, basic audio system, crank windows, cloth seats. They just don't want to, or can't due to minimum requirements.

Right on. Go back 15 years and this was possible.

My old car was $12k brand new. No power steering, no power locks/Windows, no abs. Just basic s***...
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Right on. Go back 15 years and this was possible.

My old car was $12k brand new. No power steering, no power locks/Windows, no abs. Just basic s***...

Woah, SOHC!? Crazy slow lol. I don't think you could give me a saturn. I think I'd rather walk.

I would ask is they thought battery power or hydrogen was the future. Since hydrogen is the most abundant element in the known universe.
 
I didn't even go into how they are achieving fuel efficiency standards. The new F150 will look the same but have 100% aluminum body panels and cab. That is incredibly more expensive than stamped steel. I bet you some of these automakers could a great car for near the 10k range if it was the size of a focus, with a basic NA motor, ABS, no TCS, manual transmission, basic audio system, crank windows, cloth seats. They just don't want to, or can't due to minimum requirements.
I think your last comment is dead-on.

I read an interesting article a while back (wish I could find it) discussing the potential impact of the F-150 on the aluminum industry. If I recally correctly the though was it would actually reduce the cost of aluminum due to greater supply and overall availability (aluminum is infinitely recyclable). Either way, going toward lighter bodies is definitely a step in the right direction. I'm sure one day composite automotive frames and bodies will be the norm.

Right on. Go back 15 years and this was possible.

My old car was $12k brand new. No power steering, no power locks/Windows, no abs. Just basic s***...
LOL, love the old Saturn's. I particularly that the manual right mirror and A/C were options. Note it still had airbags and DRL though...
 
s***, my wife still drives an SL1, and that thing is awesome. As for SOHC power, it weighs nothing, so lean into the floor and wind it out, it can move pretty well. Plus its paid for, and easy on fuel, and manual transmission.
 
Idk, every time I think of a saturn I picture this sort of thing. I couldn't let anyone I care about in one of them.

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I love when the whole power argument comes up. Why so little power???? b****, 4 cylinders used to be lucky to make 130 hp. Now they're making 170+ in the same weight of a car. STFU.
 
I love when the whole power argument comes up. Why so little power???? b****, 4 cylinders used to be lucky to make 130 hp. Now they're making 170+ in the same weight of a car. STFU.

depends on the size :) and many other things
 
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Quite true. My turbocharged 1.4 puts out almost the same power as the turbocharged 2.0 that was in the MSP.
 

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