scratches and swirls!

[clos561]

haha.

www.autogeek.net

thanks for the site, i was reading on mothers complete kit and its sounds pretty good, is that good to do by hand?

_actually pinnacle looks like their kit is exactly what i need, the intermediate scratch and swirl remover, its 50 bucks, i jsut gota buy pinnacle wax so i can apply it after i do the system

 

[Frankenstein]

+1 for Autogeek.net

Just got my Porter Cable from them yesterday. Polished/compounded my wife's Mini this morning with it. Hey ThrillRide, you are right that there's a HUGE difference when using an orbital polisher.

clos561, autogeek also has a detailing tips area with downloadable videos.

 

[clos561]

+1 for Autogeek.net

Just got my Porter Cable from them yesterday. Polished/compounded my wife's Mini this morning with it. Hey ThrillRide, you are right that there's a HUGE difference when using an orbital polisher.

clos561, autogeek also has a detailing tips area with downloadable videos.

i read tips on how to apply the waxes, and the pinnacle kit that i am most likely going to buy explains everything on application for each compound in the kit, very helpfull site with so much s*** to buy

 

[fourthmeal]

clos Zaino is sold at www.zainostore.com

ThrillRide I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you about it, because I know you are passionate about detailing, and I'm sure you know a lot about the topic. Just in the same way that I'm an expert in car audio, you are likely an expert in detailing.

However, Meguires' products (from their basic stuff to their 3 step stuff), Mothers' (same thing), Armor All, Turtle Wax, Blue Coral, Zymol (the real kind), Eagle 1, Honda branded waxes, pro 3M products, DuPont products, and a few other "secret ingredient" mixes found at the local car show booths, all have done a fair job but haven't come close to my success with Zaino.

I met up with a guy named Matt Lauer in KC who sold Zaino by friend-of-a-friend, and got a chance to look at his show cars. That alone sold me, and when I used the products myself and saw how they worked with each other without any real effort or special tools (like a buffer), I was hooked. I love the idea that I don't have to worry about getting it on the wrong part of the car, I love the smell, I love the fact it protected one of my cars against a keying incident. I had 8 coats of Zaino polish on my Celica, which got keyed while at a party. I went home and repolished those spots, and the keymarks vanished by the 2nd recoat, and actually never made it through to the paint. I love the way the plastic polish completely restored the clear lenses on the front of my Mustang, while 3M, Mothers, and DuPont all failed at this completely. I love how they use an accelerator, and how the application of this stuff doesn't require the use of a shaded area. I love the tire shine stuff, which doesn't sling off or cause damage to tires over time like Armor All can. Basically, I like the product because it has served me very well, and given both me and my father wins at car shows based on concours detailing. So, degrade the product all you want, or tell me something is better all you want, but you have some BIG shoes to fill if you're going to try to replace Zaino in my arsenal.

 

[Antonio DiMarco]

+10 for Zaino

clos Zaino is sold at www.zainostore.com

ThrillRide I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you about it, because I know you are passionate about detailing, and I'm sure you know a lot about the topic. Just in the same way that I'm an expert in car audio, you are likely an expert in detailing.

However, Meguires' products (from their basic stuff to their 3 step stuff), Mothers' (same thing), Armor All, Turtle Wax, Blue Coral, Zymol (the real kind), Eagle 1, Honda branded waxes, pro 3M products, DuPont products, and a few other "secret ingredient" mixes found at the local car show booths, all have done a fair job but haven't come close to my success with Zaino.

I met up with a guy named Matt Lauer in KC who sold Zaino by friend-of-a-friend, and got a chance to look at his show cars. That alone sold me, and when I used the products myself and saw how they worked with each other without any real effort or special tools (like a buffer), I was hooked. I love the idea that I don't have to worry about getting it on the wrong part of the car, I love the smell, I love the fact it protected one of my cars against a keying incident. I had 8 coats of Zaino polish on my Celica, which got keyed while at a party. I went home and repolished those spots, and the keymarks vanished by the 2nd recoat, and actually never made it through to the paint. I love the way the plastic polish completely restored the clear lenses on the front of my Mustang, while 3M, Mothers, and DuPont all failed at this completely. I love how they use an accelerator, and how the application of this stuff doesn't require the use of a shaded area. I love the tire shine stuff, which doesn't sling off or cause damage to tires over time like Armor All can. Basically, I like the product because it has served me very well, and given both me and my father wins at car shows based on concours detailing. So, degrade the product all you want, or tell me something is better all you want, but you have some BIG shoes to fill if you're going to try to replace Zaino in my arsenal.

I was very skeptical about Zaino before I actually used it, but I'll tell ya, Sal and his products are a class act. I also used everything under the sun and never had the type of performance I get from Zaino products. I used Zaino on my black Mazda 3S and while I didn't have 8 coats, the 3 coats I did apply (after preping with their claybar) held up through tough NE winters and with little maintenance. When I traded my 3S in for my Speed3 (same color as yours fourthmeal) I stuck with Zaino. The depth of the black paint also never failed to solicit questions from onlookers. In fact I just finished applying Zailno this afternoon (Two coats on the Speed3 body, windows and wheels) and can't be happier.

Like Fourthmeal I really appreciate the ease and convenience of the Zaino family of products. The fact that it doesn't adversely effect plastic and is compatible with 90% of automobile surfaces is a huge deal for me. I also don't have the time I used to have when I was insgle and could blow a weekend detailing my car. 4 hours was all it took for me to do my car today.

Sal is also a nice guy. very easy to talk to and completely reasonable. I panicked at one point becasue I didn't follow his steps to the letter and he told me to relax and not to worry. In my opinion the confidence Sal has in his products is genuine and thankfully free of marketing hype. He also NEVER tried to sell me what I didn't need.

And you know what his stuff is also AFFORDABLE.

The only difficulty I ever have with Zaino is knowing if I actually applied enough. Sal stresses to his custoemrs not to use too much, but I was so used to other products that required liberal use, that I'm still expecting a heavy haze of product on my paint. So in many cases I apply too much product and end up with streaking. Applying Zaino Z6 fixes this though.

Question for Fourthmeal:

is it safe to say that as long as the applicator is damp that you are applying enough Zaino polish to the paint?

 

[fourthmeal]

This is for Clos and Antonio...

From what I can see on the site, and what I've used before, less is more with this product.

The best thing I can recommend for people to know what to do with this stuff is to read the website. There is information everywhere, within each product page, and the tips and tricks, and application guides. The newest stuff (the Z-AIO, and Z-CS) isn't in the older application guides, but it is in the product pages within those two products.

Their deliberation about microfiber towels is interesting to read as well. All throughout, there are beautiful pictures as well. I think you might find my father's vette and my T/A in there, if you look around.

 

[ThrillRide]

ThrillRide I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you about it...

However, Meguires' products (from their basic stuff to their 3 step stuff), Mothers' (same thing), Armor All, Turtle Wax, Blue Coral, Zymol (the real kind), Eagle 1, Honda branded waxes, pro 3M products, DuPont products, and a few other "secret ingredient" mixes found at the local car show booths, all have done a fair job but haven't come close to my success with Zaino.

Neither am I. I truely was curious, because whenever I come across a zaino fanboy its usually the same story. They have either never tired any other products at all or not any good ones. Which is the same in this case except for Zymol. I use Zaino products and like what I use, but it bothers me when people get closed minded. My problem with zaino is it markets z2 and z5 as polish, which neither are. They are filling/hiding products that give people a false representation of what is happening with their finish. They only have 2 polishes and neither are very strong. Only good for finishing. They market the need to use the whole line in order for the products to work, which also bothers me. And its true many of their products don't bond well with others. When it comes to polish zaino has nothing on the top brands. When it comes to depth and shine, it also has little on other products. But if I need a quick sealer and protectant that will cover up impurities zaino is a good choice. I have tested most of the professional and boutique products and gotten better results and it makes more business sense for a pro. So there you have it. Like I said to each there own. I just don't like closed mindedness. I see way to many forums where guys sware by zaino or another product and get high and mighty about it yet have never even tried a possible better option.


clos, I have some pinnacle products for sale if you are interested. they are 99% new. hit me up if you are interested.

 

[controlo]

i've heard very good things about pinnacle. the basic swirl remover set looks promising, clos.

for me though, i don't have any noticeable swirl marks on my car. if anything, i need to get rid of some water spots. so i don't need a polish right now. it just depends on what your needs are...

i personally think meguiers and mothers are very good for OTC products and work fine as long as you know the basics of keeping your paint swirl free. (some people take it too far IMO)

mothers clay bay, reflections wax, reflections top coat on a charcoal grey Scion tC. gorgeous.

i still haven't waxed my Sunlight Silver MS3 (just the hood), not sure if i wanna use reflections on it or not.