Quick Question About What Happened During the F1

[Protege5Gurly]

Please be kind I have no idea about this stuff ...

OK so I read like 10 articles already about the tire prob at the F1 race in indy.

My question is this ... and its kinda 2 parts.

1. What is the difference between F1 and something like the Indy 500 (other than a series of races vs 1)

2. If these cars run in the Indy 500 with tires that work, what was the major problem?

Pe@ce

 

[otmsp]

It was a safety issue.All cars with michellin tires were ordered to park their cars. F1 cars are not allowed to change tires.Not unless a punture occurs .One set of tires for the whole race.

 

[Protege5Gurly]

OK but I read that they had a prob with the speeds or something at that one bank ... if the track at Indy has been run before (during say Indy 500) why did they not know they needed a diff tire?

Pe@ce

 

[johnsharpe]

1. What is the difference between F1 and something like the Indy 500 (other than a series of races vs 1)

What what I've found, these are some of the differences:

- The cars are different weights (F1 is 4-500lbs lighter)
- IRL completely specs the engines
- braking is much better on F1

Here's a good link on the differences:
http://www.f1technical.net/topic11.html

Happy reading!
john

 

[hazeXban]

F1 is faster

Basically F1 is to Indy Car what a Celica is to say a Viper, Vette, NSX, Ferrari.

Its just way more technology. More or less anything in an F1 car is superior to Indy Car.

the CART cars were closer to F1 than Indy Cars, but Indy cars are cheaper and permit more teams to run them, so more cars, more closely benchmarked, better racing.

 

[crispixoo7]

I think michelin was making a statment (or trying to). I believe that this WASN'T a "safety issue." How could it be about safety when they know what Indy is like. They've been there for what....7 years?

 

[Protege5Gurly]

^^ thats pretty much what I thought ... they have run the track before (granted not during F1) ... so they should have known what to expect.

I think it was more of a protest to coming to the states which imho would be bad on their part since if the us catches on the $$ would flow (nascar anyone?)

Pe@ce

 

[crispixoo7]

It was a safety issue.All cars with michellin tires were ordered to park their cars. F1 cars are not allowed to change tires.Not unless a punture occurs .One set of tires for the whole race.

wrongo.....michelin told the teams with their tires that they could not guarantee the drivers' safety in the race, then the teams told the drivers to park it.

the teams were not ORDERED to do anything.

thats why people ARE SO PISSED....cuz they could have gone out if they wanted too.

 

[Protege5Gurly]

But they (as a tire company) have been on this track before ... why did they not supply proper tires.

Pe@ce

 

[peepsalot]

Sounds like bad business for michelin. What brand were the rest ofd the teams using?

 

[hazeXban]

F1 actually wants to get into the US they see a market here and want to take advantage.

I WANT F1 here because they have amazing cars and it takes a lot of skill to race these cars.

I hope they can make amends and come back next year and in the future get more races across the country so I can actually go.

And Last year a driver actually using the Michelin tires crashed due to the tire failing and got hurt pretty bad and CRASHED again this year before the race, hence the whole big meeting and teams choosing NOT to participate.

There was an idea proposed to add a chicane before the turn to slow down speeds so that the cars could race because they wouldn't fail at slower speeds but the racing committe was being stuborn and wouldn't allow it.

There was a failure at many levels that caused this to happen.

Also Michelin HAD tires that could work for the course back in france but F1 per its rules would not allow DIFFerent tires to be brought in right before the race.

 

[hazeXban]

What brand were the rest ofd the teams using?

Bridgestones I do believe.

Michelin had tires they could use but they were in France and did not have them with them and F1 would not allow them to be shipped to be used for the race, some rule they have in place.

 

[Protege5Gurly]

I think its time to modify the rules

Pe@ce

 

[crispixoo7]

F1 actually wants to get into the US they see a market here and want to take advantage.

I WANT F1 here because they have amazing cars and it takes a lot of skill to race these cars.

I hope they can make amends and come back next year and in the future get more races across the country so I can actually go.

And Last year a driver actually using the Michelin tires crashed due to the tire failing and got hurt pretty bad and CRASHED again this year before the race, hence the whole big meeting and teams choosing NOT to participate.

There was an idea proposed to add a chicane before the turn to slow down speeds so that the cars could race because they wouldn't fail at slower speeds but the racing committe was being stuborn and wouldn't allow it.

There was a failure at many levels that caused this to happen.

Also Michelin HAD tires that could work for the course back in france but F1 per its rules would not allow DIFFerent tires to be brought in right before the race.

teams are allowed to bring 2 different sets to a venue, guess which tire company only supplied 1 set? (protest)

 

[hazeXban]

Hope I helped explain some things, I read deeply into this since I am into F1.

 

[hazeXban]

teams are allowed to bring 2 different sets to a venue, guess which tire company only supplied 1 set? (protest)

Well yeah they should of had them with them (hand) But since they weren't BROUGHT to the venue originally they couldn't use them. Also 2 different sets usually means Dry weather and Rain tires. So i bet they had rain tires as back ups.

 

[crispixoo7]

Well yeah they should of had them with them (hand) But since they weren't BROUGHT to the venue originally they couldn't use them. Also 2 different sets usually means Dry weather and Rain tires. So i bet they had rain tires as back ups.

hmm, ur right about the tires not being at the track....but they actually did have harder tires...which would have worked for Indy (would have slowed the cars down, but they would be allowed to race) IIRC

 

[ChopstickHero]

whatever the case was, i don't think US fans will like F1 very much from now on... except for the hardcore fans.

http://www.formula1.com/race/news/3209/740.html

 

[Paolose]

As far as what teams had to do, they did. No ones safety should be compromised even for competition, but Michelin failed their teams, and subsequently the entire sport yesterday.
They should have researched the right tires and brought them (two sets) to the race. If it was a matter of dry and wet, they could have used the wet tires and compromised performance.
Bridgestones have have failed Ferraris ability to defend their title, but I don't know that they ever pulled cars on race day with such an unfair ultimatum.
Points or no points, if you don't show up in the right gear, you face the consequences and you don't shift the blame to others for wanting to do things the way the are done, especially when they have taken losing so well all season for similar (tire issues) reasons all season.

 

[Notorious]

Keep in mind the track was resurfaced for the first time in 10 years this past winter. It was so coarse that they have to use a diamond cutter to shave the track twice since then. Both nascar and indy have both cancelled their tests and postponed them because this reason. With the new track conditions michelin did not know the tires would react the way they did.