New Military Bill Trying to pass /Your thoughts
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even tho I dont believe in the current war I would never condem the soldiers fighting in it like some of the ignorant people in this country do...
even tho I dont believe in the current war I would never condem the soldiers fighting in it like some of the ignorant people in this country do...
This has been a "Bill" since they did away with the draft... it has never made it anywhere NEAR passing the floor. There would certainly be riots poeple... riots. And I can only imagine that our military branches would turn to complete s*** if forcing people to serve.
I've spent 8 years so far fighting for people to make comments like the ones in this thread, whether negative or positive, I wouldn't have it any other way. (usa)
I've spent 8 years so far fighting for people to make comments like the ones in this thread, whether negative or positive, I wouldn't have it any other way. (usa)
I think the view that you are fighting for our freedom of speech is a bit far fetched. It always comes up in political threads and although it has merit, I think it would be more historically accurate to say that you are fighting for the right for Americans to drive 10mpg SUVs through rush-hour traffic every day.
Terrorists are not attacking our freedom of speech. They are attacking our economy and way of life.
Terrorists are not attacking our freedom of speech. They are attacking our economy and way of life.
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Please explain how a couple of "well placed attacks" would encroach on our freedom of speech?
I like the idea of an all volunteer army. The men and women who sign up don't have a gun to their heads. They do it because they want to fight for their country and preserve their ideals and liberties as well as give hope to others in the world. They are braver men and women than I'll ever be.
While I think the age range is quite broad and there should be some exceptions made, if I (as an immigrant) were required to sign up for military service for a guaranteed limited amount of time, I'd hope to think that I would do it.
This country has given me so much. I hope to do my part in the private sector to make the country greater but if push came to shove and I was needed militarily, as long as I was promised that my wife )and any future kids I migh have) would be provided for financially, then I think I would do my time of service.
It's complicated. You might not like it, heck it might not even be for a cause you believe in and it's your right to protest that. It's not so cut and dry sometimes. But I have to say that among the mainstream media and some members of American society, I see a disdain, contempt and anger towards the very military that would be standing in harms way to stop someone from wiping them of the face of the earth. It's kinda sad really.
So to sum it up: I prefer an all volunteer army. But if push came to shove I'd pray that I'd have the courage to serve the country thats given me so much.
While I think the age range is quite broad and there should be some exceptions made, if I (as an immigrant) were required to sign up for military service for a guaranteed limited amount of time, I'd hope to think that I would do it.
This country has given me so much. I hope to do my part in the private sector to make the country greater but if push came to shove and I was needed militarily, as long as I was promised that my wife )and any future kids I migh have) would be provided for financially, then I think I would do my time of service.
It's complicated. You might not like it, heck it might not even be for a cause you believe in and it's your right to protest that. It's not so cut and dry sometimes. But I have to say that among the mainstream media and some members of American society, I see a disdain, contempt and anger towards the very military that would be standing in harms way to stop someone from wiping them of the face of the earth. It's kinda sad really.
So to sum it up: I prefer an all volunteer army. But if push came to shove I'd pray that I'd have the courage to serve the country thats given me so much.
Terrorism is the systematic use or threatened use of violence to intimidate a population or government and thereby effect political, religious, or ideological change. Acts of terrorism are not intended to merely victimize or eliminate those who are killed, injured, or taken hostage, but rather to intimidate and influence the societies to which they belong.
There is the definition of terrorism. Now the intended goal of terrorism to instill fear or 'terror' amongst the general population to influence them into doing one thing or another.
So in the past few years what entity has been trying to scare the American population into submission?
There is the definition of terrorism. Now the intended goal of terrorism to instill fear or 'terror' amongst the general population to influence them into doing one thing or another.
So in the past few years what entity has been trying to scare the American population into submission?
The way I see it is that if the US goverment and their foreign policy would keep their noses out of other nation's business then there would not be this extreme fundementalist hatred of the US and no need for more military. Think about it vice versa, if China was the worlds superpower and came to the US to force their communist beliefs on the US I'm sure a whole lot of people in the US would lash out and attack the Chineese.
evilmonkeyMSP said:
Think about it. Who thought the World Trade Center attacts would have hurt the Global economy? Now put those in places that produce our power ie plants, or major dams. Then to have the attacks backed by another country that hates us like China, Iran. We would be in a fight for our lives. It's real and without this so called ****** up government could happen at any. But hey your safe and don't have to worry about anything.
I don't know about well placed attacks denying us of our free speech. But Imagine if you will that some nation decides it's time for a regime change in America. I know America itself has changed regimes in other nations i'm not naive to that fact. But more oftern than not, we go there with the intention of liberating and freeing not imprisoning the populace. We don't go in there to convert them to our religion or take their freedoms away for the most part.
So think for a moment if someone wanted to take our freedoms away. Say put us under sharia law (sp?) or something. The only thing standing between us and them would be our military. They could quickly create a climate of fear. It really would not take much. When was the last time you had to worry about a suicide bomb going off as you stood in line to see a movie? That could quicky change. In fact I think it's a miracle that suicide attacks are not the norm here alreay. Does anyone know why? I'm honestly asking for people opinions (not trying to threadjack!)
So think for a moment if someone wanted to take our freedoms away. Say put us under sharia law (sp?) or something. The only thing standing between us and them would be our military. They could quickly create a climate of fear. It really would not take much. When was the last time you had to worry about a suicide bomb going off as you stood in line to see a movie? That could quicky change. In fact I think it's a miracle that suicide attacks are not the norm here alreay. Does anyone know why? I'm honestly asking for people opinions (not trying to threadjack!)
Revs said:
The only problem is that the U.S cannot afford to just close it's eyes and let the dice fall where they may. I agree that securing this country and it's borders should be priority #1. But being the worlds superpower, if you think that other countries (Russia, N.Korea, China e.t.c) would just sit back and be content to see us dominate, I'm not sure I could agree with you on that. Everyone is always looking to take the #1 spot. With great power comes great responsibility. Truth is the US can't win no matter what it does. We sit back and do nothing while brutal regines commit genocide (rowanda e.t.c) and we catch hell. We go in and try to inlfucence change for the better (Iraq e.t.c) we catch hell. We send billions in aid and food and they say we don't send enough. The US is screwed. When you're the best, envy and jealousy are bound to follow. We can't please everyone.
Revs said:
Look at what is happening in the Middle East, the world was getting pissed because our government was not jumping in. So you're vice versa is no good. As a super power we have responsibilities. And the most important is to protect those who can't protect them selves.
Hughes412 said:
They want the U.S to be a peace broker when in reality they don't give a rats behind what the US thinks or says. Basically they wanted the US to call off Isreal (like we can control Isreals every move) because if Israel really wanted to it would have LEVELLED Lebanon. But all Isreal wanted to was destroy the Iranian proxy Hezbollah. Like I said the U.S can't win. We are honestly in a no win situation. Everything we do is wrong in the eyes of those that hate us. At least we back up our word with actions for the most park unlike France. There they are at the fore front saying STOP THE VIOLENCE and they promise to send troops to keep the peace as part of a UN (united ninnies) multinational force. You know how many troops they have sent: 40!!!
thats right FORTY freaking soldiers to keep the peace. You know how many they have commited to? 400!!!! Thats it. Pathetic. Words are nothing without actions to back them up. In the Middle east ceasefires don't work (most ceasefires on earth and the place is still a mess) sanctions don't work (just ask IRan if they care or for that matter ask Sadaam if he cared). Talking will only take you so far. Trust me. My father is a career diplomat. He talks for a living (trade relations). And sometimes talk is just not gunna cut it. It's a sad reality.
Hughes412 said:
If you mean the Israeli/Hezbollah war then there is no way around that, the US has always being behing Israel and it is clear that all Arab nations want the destruction of Israel so when the US jumps in and avoids a ceasefire right away which I can understand they are seen as Israeli backers hence the whole Arab world being anti-US.
As for being a superpower and having to protect those who can't protect themselves, yes this is true...to a point. Sticking your nose anywhere in the Middle East will never work in my opinion, the Arab nations will always be full of hate and when you get in their business you just breed more radical terrorists.
