MSP Audio Poll

[servoeyes]

If you say so...too bad I guess. Jrodhotrod had his replaced with Arc audio. Got me the model numbers at some point on the stock s*** and it was Excelon stuff. When I've pulled it apart, (haven't replaced the doors) the cone is silver on the woofers. That's not a sign of Kenwood's base models. The base models at the time of manufacture were/are blue coned. Only the excelons carry the silver...

Didn't you say you bought the car from somone oelse on the forum? Maybe you got ripped, bud...because every other MSP has Excelons in the doors.

 

[Flat Black]

Okay,

This is eXcelon, we don't have it.

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This is regular kenwood, this is what I have.
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[Flat Black]

If you say so...too bad I guess. Jrodhotrod had his replaced with Arc audio. Got me the model numbers at some point on the stock s*** and it was Excelon stuff. When I've pulled it apart, (haven't replaced the doors) the cone is silver on the woofers. That's not a sign of Kenwood's base models. The base models at the time of manufacture were/are blue coned. Only the excelons carry the silver...

Didn't you say you bought the car from somone oelse on the forum? Maybe you got ripped, bud...because every other MSP has Excelons in the doors.

Those bastards. Oh well, its all eclipse now anyway so **** it right? lol

 

[servoeyes]

Seriously...I have the silver in my car. I would have already blown the regulars with the power I'm tossing at them. Also...if the sytem has no excelon pieces, then Mazda would have goofed bad, because they do advertise that in several reviews, even though they never list it on the sticker. Hell...check the Mazda MSP brochure. It shows the excelon door speakers in that. In other words, if you bought your MSP from a dealer, and don't have excelons, you are being ripped off. If you bought your car from someone else and don't have excelons (and were told they were in there) you are being ripped.

I'm not saying that they're excelons just to get a rise out of anybody...I'm saying it because they are in my car and every other MSP owners' that I know of.

 

[servoeyes]

Those bastards. Oh well, its all eclipse now anyway so **** it right? lol

Sorry man...but at least it's all good now. I haven't heard eclipse components, but I love the amp I have, that's for sure!

 

[II-Savy]

Serv - Remember Mr. replace everything Speakers are very much depended on opinion and sound to a certain person. One person could listen to Bose and like it when compared to say a Polk. That doesn't mean Polk suck, I for one like them. I remember selling at Tweeter and when compareing home 3 peice systems some people actually did like the Junky Bose better. They (Kenwood) have a DIFFERENT sound not necessarily better. You gotta buy what YOU like.....

which it "sounds" like you did. (Pun intended)

 

[Fakhelek]

I have no problem with the HU, sub or speakers. I do think the system sounds harsh on the high midrange. I am considering adding a real equalizer since the built in EQ settings level of control is about as precise as someone in mittens trying to type using a marshmallow to hit the keys.

Any opinions on adding an EQ? I think it will go a long way to improving the sound quality and matching levels at specific freqs to the stock speaker response.

 

[II-Savy]

In my past experience an EQ only masks or makes up for a problem. I would fix the problem. Also no matter what you will buy for an EQ it will add some amount of distortion.

 

[yashooa]

Okay,

This is eXcelon, we don't have it.

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This is regular kenwood, this is what I have.
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Well I checked mine and they are silver. Not that I care I just listen to MP3' all the time and it sounds good enough to me.
Well I listen to a lot of conservative talk radio as well. I am not a "high end" audio user.

 

[servoeyes]

^^^
uh-oh! Sounds like someone's been Hannitized!!!



Also...note, it's not that the stock system isn't ok, at least for the door speakers. (as I said in an earlier post). I just highly recommend replacing the sub. Once you drop that deck out, you'll realize that it was actually taking up more space than a small enclosure for a 10" would.

 

[yashooa]

^^^
uh-oh! Sounds like someone's been Hannitized!!!



Also...note, it's not that the stock system isn't ok, at least for the door speakers. (as I said in an earlier post). I just highly recommend replacing the sub. Once you drop that deck out, you'll realize that it was actually taking up more space than a small enclosure for a 10" would.

heheheh (stoned) heheheh
Savage Nation....Muuhaahaa...

Yeah and don't put a damn baby stroller under there it can loosen the enclosure.

 

[SpicyRay]

stock system ain't bad for stock, i would get better, but i want to save money for more important upgrades, like exhaust and intake. however, this car as taught me Kenwood is a POS, but its still better than some OEM "Premium Audio Package".

 

[EvilMSP]

Yes most of the people pick a speaker that they like, but on these low level setups it is more like, "which speaker can I stand more." When you have little sets like this...they are going to suck. When I say suck I mean their frequency responce graph look like it is going to have a heart attack. When you get into high end stuff then it actually matters what the speaker is made for. Slow music, rock, RnB, whatever. But until you get up there the speakers are going to be bad. And I know bad is relative....but they will be bad. It all depends if you like your singer harsh, guitar harsh, drummer harsh . Every brand has a different harshness.

The EQ would help cause it can take some of the harshness out of the speaker. Like if you speakers play a certain range too loud you can turn that one down a little to compensate. But most EQ's arn't sensative enough to address the real problem, just makes them sound like a different pair of crappy speakers. I would not get an EQ. Save up for a good pair of speakers.

And no I am not making fun of your stereo's people so don't get mad at me and tell me how great the stock system is. If you like it great. But you won't realize what I mean until you hear a better setup, then you go back to yours.............

Then you go spend a couple 100

 

[pates03]

so getting a JBL or Kicker 8 inch sub and using the kenwood 250 watt amp would be a wise move?

 

[1sty]

I see this thread being moved to Audio section anyway....

Nah, i think it belongs here. Its not asking for any audio specific info although I am sure it will come about. I will read on

 

[1sty]

no the typical audiophile nut isn't going to like the msp stereo as there is so many things out there that are better. It is afterall, just Kenwood.

But, the average joe buyer will love it as there is nothing out there that compares to it this side of a lexus with a Mark lev.

I was a dj for 10 years, worked in an audio store for a few years, I love it, i DID add another sub ( very cheap mod ) as the stock one blows but overall for a stock stereo, it's awesome. It's not going to win any audio competitions. It all really depends on what you expect and are used to in a car stereo

I will have to very much disagree here. 1st of all no audiophile is into car audio, the same clarity possible in a home or studio is impossible in a car. 2nd the MSP system isn't lacking in just a audiophiles ear. Most everyone can find some serious problems with it. especialy once s*** breaks.

My biggest problem with it is the terrible speakers which tonaly ass **** the music and the sub that seems to like commiting suicide.

 

[1sty]

Are you sure? Excelon speakers are almost comparable to components as the tweeter is actually seperate. I thought these speakers were just upraded coaxials. 6x8's in the front, 6x9's in the back.

Front Doors:
6x8" Coaxle Kenwood Exceleons
Stock mazda stype tweeters (same in P5)

Rear Doors:
6" coaxle kenwood excelons

 

[1sty]

That's why I'm going with JLs...they just sounded a lot smoother at volume. Down low they sound a little muted, but toss power at 'em and they light up beautifully.

Told ya!

 

[1sty]

Yes most of the people pick a speaker that they like, but on these low level setups it is more like, "which speaker can I stand more." When you have little sets like this...they are going to suck. When I say suck I mean their frequency responce graph look like it is going to have a heart attack. When you get into high end stuff then it actually matters what the speaker is made for. Slow music, rock, RnB, whatever. But until you get up there the speakers are going to be bad. And I know bad is relative....but they will be bad. It all depends if you like your singer harsh, guitar harsh, drummer harsh . Every brand has a different harshness.

The EQ would help cause it can take some of the harshness out of the speaker. Like if you speakers play a certain range too loud you can turn that one down a little to compensate. But most EQ's arn't sensative enough to address the real problem, just makes them sound like a different pair of crappy speakers. I would not get an EQ. Save up for a good pair of speakers.

And no I am not making fun of your stereo's people so don't get mad at me and tell me how great the stock system is. If you like it great. But you won't realize what I mean until you hear a better setup, then you go back to yours.............

Then you go spend a couple 100

You bring up a good point. Everyones ears are differnt but a bad speaker can only be labeled as such if you have a point of reference. If these are the best speakers you've heard then you'll probably like them. Much like I mentioned to servo a few months ago, go listen to some different speakers at a store adn you'll know why I say the kenwoods suck. Put it this way, i have yet to EVER see someone pic kenwood speakers, EVER! Also keep in mind all I ever say to customers is, "just listen, nothing else matters". No one ever buys kenwoods .

On to the EQ. Getting a EQ to make up for speaker short comings is one thing but in a car you are mostly doing it to make up for envirnmental short comings. Loacations of speakers are never optimal and always have draw backs. Door rattles, window resience, interior sucking up sound. EQs are intended to make up for that, not for a crappy speaker.

 

[1sty]

so getting a JBL or Kicker 8 inch sub and using the kenwood 250 watt amp would be a wise move?

If yours explodes, sure.
Otherwise your not going to notice a major difference. Also the stock sub is 8 ohms to limit the power form the amp as the amp is inverted. I still can't believe they did that