That's going to depend on the how the MS3 handles. Power/weight-wise and looks-wise I really love it. If I'd known it was going to come out as soon as it seems it will (next Fall?), I would've waited before jumping on the MS6 like I did. Don't get me wrong, I love the MS6, too, every time I step on the gas or go around a sharp corner, but I've always had a soft spot for 3 hatch. The MS3 takes away the main reasons I didn't buy a regular 3 hatch. With a power/weight ratio better than the MS6 and hopefully much better handling than the regular 3 hatch, I think I can put up with losing a cubic foot of space and power to the rear wheels.Cloke said:
MS3 vs MS6: What Do You Think? *Re Opened*
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One of my friends has a Mazda3 and the other has a Mazda6. I have to say that the Mazda6 is by far the better choice. So i dont see why the MS3 would be better than the MS6. Although my opinoin might be a little bit bias becuase i am a PROUD owner of a MS6 Grand Touring. I absolutley love to drive it and think it is an amazing vehicle.
admittedly I am a little biased, owning a MS6 and all....
But, I can't imagine with the power the MS3 is supposed to have that it wouldn't be a poster child for AWD which the MS6 has!
I can tell you from experience that the MS6 is one balanced, powerful, and overall very impressive vehicle!
The MS3 has it's work cut out for it to de-throne the MS6!
Ry
But, I can't imagine with the power the MS3 is supposed to have that it wouldn't be a poster child for AWD which the MS6 has!
I can tell you from experience that the MS6 is one balanced, powerful, and overall very impressive vehicle!
The MS3 has it's work cut out for it to de-throne the MS6!
Ry
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I think some of you are being a bit hasty...We'll see how things really are when the MS3 hits the showrooms...I love the MS6 but would seriously consider the MS3 (even with FWD) because it's less expensive, weighs less and should match the MS6's hp level easily...Not to mention the handling should be stellar!
I agree, and this is one hatch worth driving. I'll post the MS3 stats and stuff once the american's do it... ha ha or if someone has already seen the american ms3 specs then be my guest.
With the torque ratio with the ms3 it comps for the awd, mostly. If you do it right then it will be running like an ms6. I mean my protege with CAI can take a MSP stock till his 2nd, then his about a foot or more ahead, but i still keep up off the line. Now at a 20 mph roll, their spool time is already going, not much I can do.
With the torque ratio with the ms3 it comps for the awd, mostly. If you do it right then it will be running like an ms6. I mean my protege with CAI can take a MSP stock till his 2nd, then his about a foot or more ahead, but i still keep up off the line. Now at a 20 mph roll, their spool time is already going, not much I can do.
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3.... merely because of my assumption of price (no pricing as of yet)
I always want to get my cars loaded, for example, I'd rather get a fully loaded WRX than a base STI....
A fully loaded MS6 = 33,000
A fully loaded MS3 = most likely less...
(and I like the 3hatch)
I always want to get my cars loaded, for example, I'd rather get a fully loaded WRX than a base STI....
A fully loaded MS6 = 33,000
A fully loaded MS3 = most likely less...
(and I like the 3hatch)
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I had a thread earlier bout something "similar"
It depends on what you want. You talk about "lighter" car so it will go faster? If you want to drag race and are going to pull the back seats.. battery mount.. and door pannels off to lighten the car up... The MS6 is a higher class "luxury" car. Has more interior features... much larger car... Not designed to drag race and beat boosted civics that weigh half as much...
If you want a faster... light car... thats much smaller inside and out... go with the 3... If you want to spend more.. but have much more room and luxury feal. MS6 is best car on the market...
I think the 3 is more in line with Evo's.. and STI's... while the 6 is around the A4's and IS300's and BMW3's....
It depends on what you want. You talk about "lighter" car so it will go faster? If you want to drag race and are going to pull the back seats.. battery mount.. and door pannels off to lighten the car up... The MS6 is a higher class "luxury" car. Has more interior features... much larger car... Not designed to drag race and beat boosted civics that weigh half as much...
If you want a faster... light car... thats much smaller inside and out... go with the 3... If you want to spend more.. but have much more room and luxury feal. MS6 is best car on the market...
I think the 3 is more in line with Evo's.. and STI's... while the 6 is around the A4's and IS300's and BMW3's....
honestly form what ive been seeing with hiboost i really dont see that much of a need for a mazdaspeed 3 if it doesnt have awd. i really wanted a car with all wheel drive and would be pissed if the speed3 did come with awd b/c that was a huge unhappiness when i couldnt afford the awd cars that i wanted. but if it doesnt have awd i would just upgrade my engine and what not and get a turbo kit from hiboost. the numbers they are comming out with are amazing and showing what my little 3 is capable of doing.
The Mazdaspeed 3 only has 7 less bhp then a Mazdaspeed 6. 267 bhp and 280 ft/lbs of torque are the US spec power ratings for the MS3.
Since the mazdaspeed 3 is going to come in about 400-500 lbs lighter then a MS6, there really isn't any doubt that the MS3 will cleanly outperform an MS6 in both a straight line, and the twisty's. I don't think there is really any debate to that fact. AWD won't make up for a 500 lb weight deficit no matter how many threads you start. Any debating to this fact will most likely be by individuals who have never been on a road or autox course.
Whether you get one or the other is going to come down to what you want in a car. A 3 is quite a bit smaller then a 6. Have you sat in both? It doesn't matter how the car's perform if you don't feel right in a 3, or a 6 doesn't fit you.
These comments are of course stock vs stock. When you go to modded, the MS3 will most likely eventually win, as the expected demand is so much higher then the MS6, that more then one shop have already preordered their own vehicles to build modifications for them...including one very well known and respected 6 tuner.
The Mazdaspeed 3 is going to be one of the hottest car's mazda has ever produced.
Since the mazdaspeed 3 is going to come in about 400-500 lbs lighter then a MS6, there really isn't any doubt that the MS3 will cleanly outperform an MS6 in both a straight line, and the twisty's. I don't think there is really any debate to that fact. AWD won't make up for a 500 lb weight deficit no matter how many threads you start. Any debating to this fact will most likely be by individuals who have never been on a road or autox course.
Whether you get one or the other is going to come down to what you want in a car. A 3 is quite a bit smaller then a 6. Have you sat in both? It doesn't matter how the car's perform if you don't feel right in a 3, or a 6 doesn't fit you.
These comments are of course stock vs stock. When you go to modded, the MS3 will most likely eventually win, as the expected demand is so much higher then the MS6, that more then one shop have already preordered their own vehicles to build modifications for them...including one very well known and respected 6 tuner.
The Mazdaspeed 3 is going to be one of the hottest car's mazda has ever produced.
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pretty picture of both MS6 and MS3
So, still trying to figure out what you want? The MS6 is already out and is doing well but what do you all thing is going to happen when the MS3 releases, there are so many M3's running around now, hmmm, que pasa
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The info on what they say and have about the MS3. I had to steal 1 thing, all is available on their site.
(The MAZDASPEED3 Technical Specifications will have to be viewed at thier web site, sorry)
MAZDASPEED3 A double dose of Zoom-Zoom
MAZDASPEED3 is outfitted with Mazdas 2.3-litre DISI (Direct Injection Spark Ignition) Turbo engine in a front engine, front-wheel drive (FWD) layout that is targeted to exceed 250 HP. This not only makes MAZDASPEED3 one of the most powerful and responsive compact sports models with FWD, it combines this with a stiffer body shell and a suspension with a significant improvement in roll stiffness versus the current Mazda3 for superior Zoom-Zoom handling attributes.
Mazdas direct injection technology not only makes the new MAZDASPEED3 powerful, it also has fuel consumption levels that are particularly good for a car with this kind of performance.
MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine
In addition to delivering a high performance Zoom-Zoom driving experience, the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine also exhibits good environmental compatibility with low fuel consumption. This powerplant is a direct injection turbocharged unit developed by Mazda to achieve three aspects of performance that are difficult to realize with conventional manifold injection engines:
~good fuel economy and low exhaust gas emissions,
~powerful acceleration thanks to the turbocharger, and
~a full and flat torque curve throughout the rev range for exceptional engine response.
Mazdas MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo injects fuel into the cylinders at pressures as high as 1,600 psi, which cools the combustion chambers (internal cooling effect) through latent heat of vaporization, thereby improving the charging efficiency. This can increase torque by up to 10 percent at certain rpm ranges compared to a conventional manifold injection type turbo engine, making powerful, easy to control torque available across a wide range of engine speeds. This high power and easy to use flat torque curve is attained by the use of a fixed geometry turbocharger.
The internal cooling effect within the combustion chamber increases the cylinder charge volume under initial acceleration and hence the exhaust-gas flow, causing a linear increase in rotation speed of the turbocharger's compressor wheel. As a result, the turbocharger provides boost effect soon after the accelerator is pressed assuring excellent response at low to mid-engine speeds.
High-pressure direct injection of fuel into the cylinder also results in an optimized air fuel mixture forming in the vicinity of the spark plug, reducing the risk of misfire. This allows earlier ignition, making it easy to raise the temperature of the exhaust gas. Moreover, use of a lightweight, fixed geometry turbocharger dramatically reduces the thermal capacity of the exhaust system, minimizing the loss in temperature of exhaust gas. As a result, the catalytic converter reaches its activation temperature faster after the engine is started.
Because the internal cooling effect within the combustion chamber reduces knocking tendencies and boosts fuel economy without sacrificing low end torque, the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine has a relatively high compression ratio for a turbo engine of 9.5:1 which contributes to improved fuel economy.
For MAZDASPEED3, the development team fine tuned both the engine and exhaust system to produce a sporty sound that enhances driving pleasure. Tuning of the exhaust system focused on sounds in the low frequency range, while tuning of engine sound focused on the mid frequency range produced at high engine speeds to deliver an enjoyably sporty sound. A powerful exhaust note is hit the moment the engine is started, and a pleasurable sound sustained in sync with accelerator pedal input as the car gains speed.
High-level torque management
A wide range of optimizations give this high power, high torque front-wheel drive vehicle greater ease of use with more comfortable driveability and handling. Intake volume and boost pressure control sudden torque peaks, assuring smooth, linear torque delivery. Additionally, torque characteristics from first through fourth gears are optimized to deliver appropriate drive power from take off.
Torque control is also linked to the steering angle, and the stiffness of the left and right drive shafts is balanced with the angles optimized to control torque steer. A newly-developed limited slip differential is also adopted to provide ample torque to the inner wheel during hard cornering for smooth, predictable driving in the curve.
Six-speed manual transmission
The new MAZDASPEED3 employs the six-speed manual transmission introduced with the MAZDASPEED6 that provides the driver with the pleasure of having full control over the vehicles high power, while contributing to a quiet ride and better fuel economy.
A compact three shaft design made it possible to keep the overall length the same as for the five-speed manual transmission used in the base model. In addition, MAZDASPEED3s six-speed transmission uses wide gear ratios to fully exploit the wide torque band of the direct injection turbocharged engine. The transmissions high-ratio sixth gear contributes to a quieter ride and improves fuel economy during high-speed cruising. Triple cone synchronizers for first through third gears and a double cone synchronizer for fourth gear assure ample sync capacity to enable a short, clean action shift stroke and comfortable shift feel.
High body rigidity and specially tuned chassis
The new MAZDASPEED3 features a body with greater rigidity than the original Mazda3 model. The MAZDASPEED version is based on the Mazda3 Sport, with local reinforcements added to realize a body sufficiently stiff and robust to stand up to the extra demands of sporty driving. Suspension and brakes have also been specially tuned for the MAZDASPEED. These improvements assure a body and chassis capable of easily handling the extremely high power delivered by the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine.
Body rigidity has been increased by several features, including a reinforced front cowl member that is joined directly to a plate in the top section of the front damper mount, assuring the same rigidity as a car fitted with strut tower bars. This prevents deformation of the front suspension towers and maintains correct suspension geometry. In the lower body, a large closed section member is employed to reinforce the floor tunnel which improves the torsional rigidity of whole body. At the rear, the gusset introduced at the bottom end of the rear suspension towers restrains the tendency of the towers to displace inwards which maintains the correct suspension geometry in the rear.
Specially tuned suspension gives 60 percent improvement in roll stiffness
Special suspension tuning was conducted to support the high power output of MAZDASPEED3s engine. Both the MacPherson strut front suspension and multi-link rear suspension have higher coil spring rates and larger diameter stabilizer bars than the Mazda3. Dampers also have a higher damping force on the MAZDASPEED3. Damping force on both jounce and rebound is approximately 6 times better at low piston speed, and about 1.3 times better at moderate piston speed. Combined with the reinforced coil springs and stabilizer bars, this produces significantly more roll stiffness than the Mazda3.
Focus on safety upgraded brake system to match the high power
The starting point for MAZDASPEED3 safety package was to preserve the accurate, predictable handling of the original Mazda3. Large diameter 4-wheel disc brakes, ventilated 320 mm discs at front and solid 280 mm discs at rear, 8+9 inch tandem brake booster and a large 1 inch diameter master cylinder yield powerful and stable braking.
Standard equipment includes 4-wheel ABS, emergency brake assist, and dynamic stability control (DSC), all of which provide active safety for the MAZDASPEED3 in a range of driving scenarios. In addition, a rain-sensing wiper system and auto light system are also standard to give the driver a clear view of the road and help prevent accidents.
For protection during collision from any direction, MAZDASPEED3 employs the unique Mazda Advanced Impact energy Distribution and Absorption System (MAIDAS) to deliver a robust and safe body structure. Inside the cabin, front dual airbags are fitted as standard, along with side and curtain airbags. A collapsible brake pedal and revised steering column structure reduce the risk of injury to the driver's lower legs, while a seat belt reminder system, which confirms whether seatbelts are buckled or not, is also included to support the safety of the front and rear occupants.
The info on what they say and have about the MS3. I had to steal 1 thing, all is available on their site.
(The MAZDASPEED3 Technical Specifications will have to be viewed at thier web site, sorry)
MAZDASPEED3 A double dose of Zoom-Zoom
MAZDASPEED3 is outfitted with Mazdas 2.3-litre DISI (Direct Injection Spark Ignition) Turbo engine in a front engine, front-wheel drive (FWD) layout that is targeted to exceed 250 HP. This not only makes MAZDASPEED3 one of the most powerful and responsive compact sports models with FWD, it combines this with a stiffer body shell and a suspension with a significant improvement in roll stiffness versus the current Mazda3 for superior Zoom-Zoom handling attributes.
Mazdas direct injection technology not only makes the new MAZDASPEED3 powerful, it also has fuel consumption levels that are particularly good for a car with this kind of performance.
MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine
In addition to delivering a high performance Zoom-Zoom driving experience, the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine also exhibits good environmental compatibility with low fuel consumption. This powerplant is a direct injection turbocharged unit developed by Mazda to achieve three aspects of performance that are difficult to realize with conventional manifold injection engines:
~good fuel economy and low exhaust gas emissions,
~powerful acceleration thanks to the turbocharger, and
~a full and flat torque curve throughout the rev range for exceptional engine response.
Mazdas MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo injects fuel into the cylinders at pressures as high as 1,600 psi, which cools the combustion chambers (internal cooling effect) through latent heat of vaporization, thereby improving the charging efficiency. This can increase torque by up to 10 percent at certain rpm ranges compared to a conventional manifold injection type turbo engine, making powerful, easy to control torque available across a wide range of engine speeds. This high power and easy to use flat torque curve is attained by the use of a fixed geometry turbocharger.
The internal cooling effect within the combustion chamber increases the cylinder charge volume under initial acceleration and hence the exhaust-gas flow, causing a linear increase in rotation speed of the turbocharger's compressor wheel. As a result, the turbocharger provides boost effect soon after the accelerator is pressed assuring excellent response at low to mid-engine speeds.
High-pressure direct injection of fuel into the cylinder also results in an optimized air fuel mixture forming in the vicinity of the spark plug, reducing the risk of misfire. This allows earlier ignition, making it easy to raise the temperature of the exhaust gas. Moreover, use of a lightweight, fixed geometry turbocharger dramatically reduces the thermal capacity of the exhaust system, minimizing the loss in temperature of exhaust gas. As a result, the catalytic converter reaches its activation temperature faster after the engine is started.
Because the internal cooling effect within the combustion chamber reduces knocking tendencies and boosts fuel economy without sacrificing low end torque, the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine has a relatively high compression ratio for a turbo engine of 9.5:1 which contributes to improved fuel economy.
For MAZDASPEED3, the development team fine tuned both the engine and exhaust system to produce a sporty sound that enhances driving pleasure. Tuning of the exhaust system focused on sounds in the low frequency range, while tuning of engine sound focused on the mid frequency range produced at high engine speeds to deliver an enjoyably sporty sound. A powerful exhaust note is hit the moment the engine is started, and a pleasurable sound sustained in sync with accelerator pedal input as the car gains speed.
High-level torque management
A wide range of optimizations give this high power, high torque front-wheel drive vehicle greater ease of use with more comfortable driveability and handling. Intake volume and boost pressure control sudden torque peaks, assuring smooth, linear torque delivery. Additionally, torque characteristics from first through fourth gears are optimized to deliver appropriate drive power from take off.
Torque control is also linked to the steering angle, and the stiffness of the left and right drive shafts is balanced with the angles optimized to control torque steer. A newly-developed limited slip differential is also adopted to provide ample torque to the inner wheel during hard cornering for smooth, predictable driving in the curve.
Six-speed manual transmission
The new MAZDASPEED3 employs the six-speed manual transmission introduced with the MAZDASPEED6 that provides the driver with the pleasure of having full control over the vehicles high power, while contributing to a quiet ride and better fuel economy.
A compact three shaft design made it possible to keep the overall length the same as for the five-speed manual transmission used in the base model. In addition, MAZDASPEED3s six-speed transmission uses wide gear ratios to fully exploit the wide torque band of the direct injection turbocharged engine. The transmissions high-ratio sixth gear contributes to a quieter ride and improves fuel economy during high-speed cruising. Triple cone synchronizers for first through third gears and a double cone synchronizer for fourth gear assure ample sync capacity to enable a short, clean action shift stroke and comfortable shift feel.
High body rigidity and specially tuned chassis
The new MAZDASPEED3 features a body with greater rigidity than the original Mazda3 model. The MAZDASPEED version is based on the Mazda3 Sport, with local reinforcements added to realize a body sufficiently stiff and robust to stand up to the extra demands of sporty driving. Suspension and brakes have also been specially tuned for the MAZDASPEED. These improvements assure a body and chassis capable of easily handling the extremely high power delivered by the MZR 2.3L DISI Turbo engine.
Body rigidity has been increased by several features, including a reinforced front cowl member that is joined directly to a plate in the top section of the front damper mount, assuring the same rigidity as a car fitted with strut tower bars. This prevents deformation of the front suspension towers and maintains correct suspension geometry. In the lower body, a large closed section member is employed to reinforce the floor tunnel which improves the torsional rigidity of whole body. At the rear, the gusset introduced at the bottom end of the rear suspension towers restrains the tendency of the towers to displace inwards which maintains the correct suspension geometry in the rear.
Specially tuned suspension gives 60 percent improvement in roll stiffness
Special suspension tuning was conducted to support the high power output of MAZDASPEED3s engine. Both the MacPherson strut front suspension and multi-link rear suspension have higher coil spring rates and larger diameter stabilizer bars than the Mazda3. Dampers also have a higher damping force on the MAZDASPEED3. Damping force on both jounce and rebound is approximately 6 times better at low piston speed, and about 1.3 times better at moderate piston speed. Combined with the reinforced coil springs and stabilizer bars, this produces significantly more roll stiffness than the Mazda3.
Focus on safety upgraded brake system to match the high power
The starting point for MAZDASPEED3 safety package was to preserve the accurate, predictable handling of the original Mazda3. Large diameter 4-wheel disc brakes, ventilated 320 mm discs at front and solid 280 mm discs at rear, 8+9 inch tandem brake booster and a large 1 inch diameter master cylinder yield powerful and stable braking.
Standard equipment includes 4-wheel ABS, emergency brake assist, and dynamic stability control (DSC), all of which provide active safety for the MAZDASPEED3 in a range of driving scenarios. In addition, a rain-sensing wiper system and auto light system are also standard to give the driver a clear view of the road and help prevent accidents.
For protection during collision from any direction, MAZDASPEED3 employs the unique Mazda Advanced Impact energy Distribution and Absorption System (MAIDAS) to deliver a robust and safe body structure. Inside the cabin, front dual airbags are fitted as standard, along with side and curtain airbags. A collapsible brake pedal and revised steering column structure reduce the risk of injury to the driver's lower legs, while a seat belt reminder system, which confirms whether seatbelts are buckled or not, is also included to support the safety of the front and rear occupants.
If I were autoxing as much as the others ,the 3 is hands down. For everything else the 6. The 6 has more space to stretch out and give off that luxurious sedan look and feel. If the speed 3 was a sedan i'd have a slightly harder time picking one over the other.
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Im a Proud MS6 owner and i think it fits my 30-something demographic perfectly. The MS3 in my opinon will probably sell like hotcakes for a few reasons
1) Focus is on a younger age Demo
2) MazdaSpeed option(s)
3) Incredible power to weight ratio
and most importantly IMO
4) Low Price
in any case- its a good looking car
I do wonder though if the MS6 is AWD and the MS3 isnt- how would that car out handle the MS6? again- in my opinion, the car (MS6) has the ability to enter and exit corners at a quicker rate just because of the AWD...but who knows ...im probably wrong...
1) Focus is on a younger age Demo
2) MazdaSpeed option(s)
3) Incredible power to weight ratio
and most importantly IMO
4) Low Price
in any case- its a good looking car
I do wonder though if the MS6 is AWD and the MS3 isnt- how would that car out handle the MS6? again- in my opinion, the car (MS6) has the ability to enter and exit corners at a quicker rate just because of the AWD...but who knows ...im probably wrong...
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