MS3@ Geneva 06.

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I dont like the new look of the GTi but I dont think its a bad car. Infact I think its a better car then what it is before...performance wise. but looks are just too modern for me.

The best compition is in Europe where the Ford Focus ST and the New GTi

Except the Focus ST shares teh same chasis as the MAzda 3 but has a volvo engine in it with ford styling. Citeron and Peugot

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have read that the MS6 has had some cooling issues with the TMIC and no hoodscoop. I see the MS3 may have the same problem.
Yeah, we've already heard of the same heat-soak issues at our Mazda store with the Mazdaspeed 6's......
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Supposively, a lot of them are knocking from the inefficient intercoolers.... I can't for summer in Florida !!!
Check the Mazda6 forum. From what I gather the ECU is pulling back timing and cutting boost very aggressively, probably for good reason thou. I don't think it will go BOOM because the ECU is been so aggressive but you will definitely feel the huge lost of power. The MS6 is also very sensitive in regard to gas octane. Anything less than 93 and you will be lossing power.

anyone hear about this? problems with cooling and TMIC.
 
Overall, I like the styling of the car. (though I still feel the hatch is the wrong way to go) Hopefully Mazda will have a sedan too but my gut tells me they won't. As much as I'd love to continue the mazdaspeed trend, if this car isn't awd I'm simply not interested. (obviously it doesn't appear that it will be.) For the life of me, I just don't understand why. Someone mentioned that this car would be competing with the likes of the GTI, Caliber, Si, Cobalt and others.. instead of the WRX. This to me is mindless. Why compete against a half dozen or more "me too" cars when you can take on the ONE car out there that offers serious hp and awd? Seriously, why are so many car manufacturers letting Subaru control this market? Half the country benefits from awd (during the winter) and the other half certainly dig the handling characteristics. For those who want a fast, reasonably priced 4 door compact with awd, they have but one choice. With all the financial problems Mitsubishi is having... their worries would be over if they simply came out with a slightly lesser version of their EVO to compete with the base WRX. Not everyone can afford $33K+ for a car... the mid 20's represents a bit of a sweet spot for 20 somethings making decent money. The fact that mfrs aren't takin advantage of this incredibley popular segment is mind boggling. Especialy makers like Mitsu and Mazda... who already have the setup ready to go.

But what do I know? i still dig the car... and think it will sell reasonably well, despite everything I just mentioned. I guess I have abit more ambition for mazda then they do. If they did this right, they could really elevate themselves to a much higher level with a car that defines who they are. Think Subaru before and after the WRX. It's like two different companies! That car took them to a whole new level.
 
CHICO2003 said:
Overall, I like the styling of the car. (though I still feel the hatch is the wrong way to go) Hopefully Mazda will have a sedan too but my gut tells me they won't. As much as I'd love to continue the mazdaspeed trend, if this car isn't awd I'm simply not interested. (obviously it doesn't appear that it will be.) For the life of me, I just don't understand why. Someone mentioned that this car would be competing with the likes of the GTI, Caliber, Si, Cobalt and others.. instead of the WRX. This to me is mindless. Why compete against a half dozen or more "me too" cars when you can take on the ONE car out there that offers serious hp and awd? Seriously, why are so many car manufacturers letting Subaru control this market? Half the country benefits from awd (during the winter) and the other half certainly dig the handling characteristics. For those who want a fast, reasonably priced 4 door compact with awd, they have but one choice. With all the financial problems Mitsubishi is having... their worries would be over if they simply came out with a slightly lesser version of their EVO to compete with the base WRX. Not everyone can afford $33K+ for a car... the mid 20's represents a bit of a sweet spot for 20 somethings making decent money. The fact that mfrs aren't takin advantage of this incredibley popular segment is mind boggling. Especialy makers like Mitsu and Mazda... who already have the setup ready to go.

But what do I know? i still dig the car... and think it will sell reasonably well, despite everything I just mentioned. I guess I have abit more ambition for mazda then they do. If they did this right, they could really elevate themselves to a much higher level with a car that defines who they are. Think Subaru before and after the WRX. It's like two different companies! That car took them to a whole new level.

+1, I totally agree. They started off well with the MS6/CX7/CX9. I think they should offer it at least as an option. I think they might be afraid of jacking up the prices because of AWD. If Mazda were to play it right they could possibly take sales from Subaru and Mitsu.
 
im so happy its not going to be all wheel drive b/c i wanted all wheel but couldnt aford a car i liked with all wheel so i went with front wheel. if it does im upgrading even though i got my car like 3 months ago not even. =]
 
tsunami said:
can't wait for the eventual c&d shot out with the gti/ms3/caliber srt/A3

did i miss one? i think those are all the "hot hatches" that are out?


what about the mini
 
To bad I'm not going to be in the market for a sport compact. My next car will either be a Legacy GT sportwagon or a Mazdaspeed6.
 
MPSpeedSeraph said:
...looked sportier...

You mean looks fatter. The sedan three looks great but the 3 wagon just looks fat. I'm glad Mazda didn't make that mistake between the protege sedan and hatchback.
 
Rogue Pro5 said:
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anyone hear about this? problems with cooling and TMIC.

took the words right out of my mouth. This is why I made the joke about the 94 octane and ice on the intercooler.

Sorry folks, but this is already destined to have issues before it even gets produced. You want a car that only works in certain temps at certain times? Because so far it seems to be a hit/miss if the MS6's operate as advertised. I've been reading more and more issues lately that really have me concerned that this is another MSP hesitation and heat soak issue ( Which never got resolved, nor did the clunk for that matter) that is only going to carry over to the MS3.

Mazda does not have a good track record with permanently fixing problems like this. This is the one thing holding me back from purchasing any new mazdaspeed until I see it out for year and see what issues it has. Add to the fact that most Mazdaspeeds have a 1 year run and that is it. Problem is, I need a new car this year, not next. At least with the Civic SiR I know it'll work. Can't believe I just said that.

Hopefully with this MS6 engine being used across the board, they'll have more of a reason to ACTUALLY FIX SOMETHING for a change.
 
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Rogue Pro5 said:
looking at the pictures, it may come in both sedan and hatch. The first picture uses a sedan bumper/hood. Compared to a hatch, the sedan grill is part of the bumper, whereas it's part of the hood on a hatch. Does that make sense?

Actually, the grille orientation looks like the only crossover. The hood is different than both but the shape and lines are still hatch. The grille is also different than both.
They've probably had too many complaints from techs whacking their heads on the hanging grille. (thumb)

The bumper is obviously all new.
 
Newf said:
Sorry folks, but this is already destined to have issues before it even gets produced. You want a car that only works in certain temps at certain times? Because so far it seems to be a hit/miss if the MS6's operate as advertised. I've been reading more and more issues lately that really have me concerned that this is another MSP hesitation and heat soak issue ( Which never got resolved, nor did the clunk for that matter) that is only going to carry over to the MS3.
Aftermarket FMIC -- problem solved.
 
Beautiful car. I wish more of the hot hatches would come over to this side of the sea. I really like the European Focus as well.
 
Newf and other MSP owners:

Those of you who drive your cars in the winter, how much does the LSD help in the snow? Assuming you would have winter tires on the car, how much better than a regular Protege or 3 is it in the snow?

If I bought a MS3 it would have to be driven in the winter, which is one of my major disappointments for no AWD. So just curious what it would be like in the winter?
 
The fact that they are releasing another car like the MSP to compete against the GTI etc, killed me. (Atleast that's what I see that the MSP competes against) I lost all hope for that car. AWD+turbo was it's last resort. I know it would somewhat hurt the MS6's sales, but it doesn't matter. It seems that Mazda will always stay low compared to making a "decent" awd car like Mitsu and Subaru. I would've bought this car, but I'm just over it now.
 
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