Jut Got E-mail Fom INJEN - CAI for MSP Finally out !!!

[Dark Ringleader]

If I'm going to do something I'm going to do it right if I can get a good intake for my car I'm not going to go cheap knockoff brand like APC or custom make my own, I would much rather have a product which has been tested and dyno-tuned and made specifically for my car. That's just how I feel I'm not trying to bash on anyone with custom intakes or anything I would just rather spend the extra cash to make sure things are done right.

 

[AGR]

Hey guys! I'm sure it is a quality piece. I'm not knocking that. I know there is a possibility that K&N is going to offer an intake, also. And; most of us also heard that Spool was going to do something. I'm just not willing to spend that much money at this time. Everyone knew it was going to be around $200.00. I have been enjoying my K&N cone pretty well. Hell! I haven't even installed my Joe P XZ MBC! So; I still have a little hp on the shelf. Ha!

 

[Aaron]

I would like to know if it works flawlessly and really adds that much horsies!!!

 

[Dark Ringleader]

my friend has a v6 Toyota Solara with an injen short ram, his car sound's like a damned ferrari since he put that thing in so Injen products definitely do sound good, but he's switching to AEM since they make a CAI for it now and he'd rather have that since hes supercharging it soon. Injen does make good products and I've seen good dyno results from them on other cars so I'm sure they know what they are doing.

 

[Bijou-MP5]

dyno results varies with what mods you have done in your car.
but I don't really care about dyno results, I go for look
and Injen looks really good on our cars.
oh btw, K&N Typoon CAI looks really good to but...they are too expensive.. $399.

 

[BremertonMSP]

Newf,

they said that there were no issues w/ the new design, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any. I'm curious about the dyno numbers and the functionality too. The one other thing is the A/F mixture. Do you all think this new intake will lean it out a bit ?

I can't see the A/F getting leaner with the CAI. The computer is going to compensate for the increase in airflow, it's called adaptive stratagies. That's why it's a good idea to reset the computer (disconnect the neg battery termial for 10 minutes) before you go out to the drags or autocross. Your computer has learned how to adapt to city driving, so when you go out to race, it still looks at those stratagies when you're trying to race.
Also, I have learned that when you reset the computer, it's good to start the car and let it idle for about 5 minutes, to let the compter relearn some of the idle stratagies. This will help the car from stalling when comming to a stop.

MECS2 is just Mazda's version of Fords ODB2 computers. I just wish they would have looked at some of Fords fuel and timing maps from the SVO Mustang or Thunderbird Turbocoupe from the mid 80's. Those where some pretty good turbo 4 banger cars for there time. I'm sure they could have accessed the data and applied it to the MSP.

 

[funnylittlman]

Yeah,

I was afraid of this damn learning curve. I think the only way to compensate is to get a SAFC... But then when the computer does it's open loop trick, doesn't the SAFC become null and void?

That is what I understood..

 

[kwiktsi]

Yeah,

I was afraid of this damn learning curve. I think the only way to compensate is to get a SAFC... But then when the computer does it's open loop trick, doesn't the SAFC become null and void?

That is what I understood..

The AFC will work at part throttle and cruise. Above 4500 (I think- I have heard 4250-4700), it will go open loop and dump fuel regardless. Pretty crappy design. A free flowing intake will help lean it a bit up top since you are getting more air for the same amount of fuel. Not much though- I have the intake and a 3" exhasut done and it just barely leaned it out.

I think $300 is a lot for the gains you will get. I love how people swear by dyno numbers- a dyno can show anything you want it to .. The reason it helps cover up (not fix) the stuble is because you are adding more, cooler air to the mixture so it band aids the over rich mixture. The results will be mixed in various climates and it will be like it has been all along- some people saying it "fixed" the problem and others saying it is still there. The only "real" fix is the ECU itself which probably won't be done for a while if ever... Adding air will/may help in some situations though- just not worth $300.
Joe

 

[ForceFed]

OK you guys,here is the deal!The MSRP on the Injen intake is $320.00.This is official,And the GB price WILL be lower as I am one of the individuals that is working on pricing as is Steph(spicyMSP).I spoke with my hook-up yesrterday and got the real price on this intake before this post was even up so I was surprised to even see this post!I am working on pricing today and should have a pretty solid GB price up by no later than TONIGHT!Look for the new post.The pricing I am getting will be based on between 40-50 intake pre-orders.But I hope to get us an excellent price on this and i'm trying to get the shipping included in the pricing.The shipping deal may or may not pan out so just be patient and let us see what we can do!
Thanx,Matt

 

[ForceFed]

Oh Yeah,one other thing,This intake is not yet ready for purchase!The pricing has been set( for the vendors sake)and the intake is in (or will be very soon)production but it is not yet ready for shipping to the vendors.My source said it will be another 4 weeks before we even think about seeing one of these intakes!So don't go calling to order one now as it isn't technically available as of yet!

Feel free to continue your rant on the pricing in this post !

Thanx,Matt

 

[Dark Ringleader]

OK you guys,here is the deal!The MSRP on the Injen intake is $320.00.This is official,And the GB price WILL be lower as I am one of the individuals that is working on pricing as is Steph(spicyMSP).I spoke with my hook-up yesrterday and got the real price on this intake before this post was even up so I was surprised to even see this post!I am working on pricing today and should have a pretty solid GB price up by no later than TONIGHT!Look for the new post.The pricing I am getting will be based on between 40-50 intake pre-orders.But I hope to get us an excellent price on this and i'm trying to get the shipping included in the pricing.The shipping deal may or may not pan out so just be patient and let us see what we can do!
Thanx,Matt

sounds good man, lookin forward to it, until the intake though it's hacked airbox for me

 

[bcbadboy]

You can pick one up at a Injen Authorized Vendor for like $280.00.
$300.00 is just a retail price. Vendors sell them cheaper.

 

[boostisgood]

Ok lemme ask you all a question. How does a COLD AIR INTAKE benefit a boosted car ? I mean, you take cold air in, run it through a hot ass turbo, (talkin bout at least an 80 degree increase, then through an intercooler that cools it down to the ambient air temp. (maybe not our intercoolers are that efficient, but you get my drift.)

What I am trying to say is, for turbo cars, the most efficient way to get air to the car is with a short ram, the air gets heated by the turbo anyways, so take the hotter air in from the engine bay, as its a shorter path to run, and let the IC do its job.

For me, I am going to do a custom job, with a fiberglass, or carbon fiber heat shield. and yes I will dyno it, and I know a little about air flow characteristics to make it an effient piping.

 

[kwiktsi]

Ok lemme ask you all a question. How does a COLD AIR INTAKE benefit a boosted car ? I mean, you take cold air in, run it through a hot ass turbo, (talkin bout at least an 80 degree increase, then through an intercooler that cools it down to the ambient air temp. (maybe not our intercoolers are that efficient, but you get my drift.)

What I am trying to say is, for turbo cars, the most efficient way to get air to the car is with a short ram, the air gets heated by the turbo anyways, so take the hotter air in from the engine bay, as its a shorter path to run, and let the IC do its job.

For me, I am going to do a custom job, with a fiberglass, or carbon fiber heat shield. and yes I will dyno it, and I know a little about air flow characteristics to make it an effient piping.

Thank you VERY MUCH!!! Finally someone realizes what I have said from day one!!! Increased air flow is a plus, but CAI? There may be a slight cooling effect, but not $300 worth.
Joe

 

[AGR]

Thank you VERY MUCH!!! Finally someone realizes what I have said from day one!!! Increased air flow is a plus, but CAI? There may be a slight cooling effect, but not $300 worth.
Joe

I have heard the same thing....So; what about a set-up like this?

 

[kwiktsi]

I have heard the same thing....So; what about a set-up like this?

Increased air flow ..

I noticed a difference in spool up going with my K&N due to how restrictive the stock air box was. A setup like that will help flow more air and keep it a bit closer to the headlight opening to get some cooler air.. One of the biggest gains I have had at cooling my car underhood was removing the weather strip from the cowl to let the hot air vent out. That with just a K&N gave pretty close results to what a CAI would do PLUS cooled the whole under hood temps for $270 less .. As mentioned in another post- my MBC at 10 psi, the K&N and the weather strip removed was good enough for a 14.5. Not super quick, but not bad for less than $100.. Let's see what you get from a $300 CAI ..
Joe

 

[03SpeedLSD]

Damn that. That price sucks IMO. You can make your own intake for less than $100. I can not believe people are actually gunna spend that kinda money on an intake. Consider it's a turbo car, cold air(which you will get none of from a filter hidden behind the bumper) will not really do you that much good. Here is what I did...Later,

 

[AGR]

Damn that. That price sucks IMO. You can make your own intake for less than $100. I can not believe people are actually gunna spend that kinda money on an intake. Consider it's a turbo car, cold air(which you will get none of from a filter hidden behind the bumper) will not really do you that much good. Here is what I did...Later,

Your pics...metal piping?

 

[servoeyes]

I have heard the same thing....So; what about a set-up like this?

Jeez! AGR are you Memphis' vendor?!? LOL!

Here's my take on the CAI and benefits thereof...(again)
1)Air is colder...doesn't always help if you're taking in engine temp air, just more of it. The compressor can compress more air if it's colder. Simple thermodynamics...it'll only compress so much before it reaches a saturation point.
2)Remember...we're also removing a good length of pipe that's plastic and replacing it with a shorter aluminum pipe. Hence...less ambient heating, less travel time (inherent relationship)...fewer losses in general (03speedLSD has the right set-up)
3)I don't know of any mandrel bending specialists in my area that can do this crap...and if I did, chances are I wouldn't get it done for too much less.
4)DO WHAT YOU WANT! STOP SHITTING ON WHAT I WANT TO DO!
Sorry for the temper explosion...but, come on...haven't we had this discussion before? I'm just saying that people should expect this kind of a price. Pawn your ideas off all you want, but there's no reason to tell or even insinuate that someone is a moron for chossing the safe option.

In closing...can't we all just get along?

 

[AGR]

Jeez! AGR are you Memphis' vendor?!? LOL!

Here's my take on the CAI and benefits thereof...(again)
1)Air is colder...doesn't always help if you're taking in engine temp air, just more of it. The compressor can compress more air if it's colder. Simple thermodynamics...it'll only compress so much before it reaches a saturation point.
2)Remember...we're also removing a good length of pipe that's plastic and replacing it with a shorter aluminum pipe. Hence...less ambient heating, less travel time (inherent relationship)...fewer losses in general (03speedLSD has the right set-up)
3)I don't know of any mandrel bending specialists in my area that can do this crap...and if I did, chances are I wouldn't get it done for too much less.
4)DO WHAT YOU WANT! STOP SHITTING ON WHAT I WANT TO DO!
Sorry for the temper explosion...but, come on...haven't we had this discussion before? I'm just saying that people should expect this kind of a price. Pawn your ideas off all you want, but there's no reason to tell or even insinuate that someone is a moron for chossing the safe option.

No,,,,I'm learning like many of us here. I have no previous experience with any of this. I'm certainly not attempting to alter anyone's plans. I could care less, personally. Now; Joe (Kwiktsi) has experience. I'm just here learning. MemphisRacer also has much experience tuning, and that is his car with the custom intake. It works for him!

So,,,,,,,what the hell!?


Get along? Of course; I'm not starting any fights. I love you all! And; you know how I feel about my MAZDASPEED!