help swing a swing voter

[chkmgnt58]

alright boys, its been fun... but really if i were the originator of this thread i'd vote for nader b/c all of us are assholes. so i'll just leave it alone, everyone has an opinion, ryanjayg has made the only really viable point on this thread. now apparently the esteemed country of great britian has run into some problems with the flu vaccination they produce, and it doesnt work, thus no exporting it. so before all the little shops find out about this and realize that they have no vaccine, thus a 19 year old college student is not in a 'risk group' and cant get the vaccine, i'm out to get my shot. i suggest everyone does the same, because its gonna hit the fan tomorrow

 

[Kooldino]

Wow! And what kind of scientific basis have you made this claim. Why don't you take what I say as factual and well documented. I have a BS in Biochemistry. It is a neurodegenerative disease caused by the AIF gene. The AIF(Apoptosis inducing factor) gene regulates programmed cell death(apoptosis). This gene becomes damaged due to oxadative stress much like how your skin becomes less soft and less perfect. When damaged the gene triggers the cells to undergo apoptosis in an uncontrolled fassion leading to premature death of nerve cells, which of course leads to alzheimers. Nerve cells can be made from stem cells(you can think of these as unformed blocks of clay that can be induced to take any shape as long as the correst conditions and hormones prevail) thereby creating a new cell line for the patient which is almost completely free of any oxadative stress(ie aging). Or you can drink green tee or orange juice all your life.

Proof:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/205ljfnl.asp

m'kay?

It's all over the net, but that was just the first link I hit.

 

[Kooldino]

speaking of raising taxes, lets do just that. it will be fun. that way i can spend all that money on expanding the armed forces that are overtaxed right now. forget taht my party is the one that dismantled that armed forced to 1/4 of what they were 10 years ago, citing that theres no one left to fight. let's expand. and guess what? YOU get to pay for it. no no, not the person paying 15% of their 30,000, the person paying 40% of their 120,000. and why should you get a hike? its called equal distribution of the wealth. you worked hard, got lucky, or whatever more money, therefore you should have to support those who didnt. havent you read karl marx? the perfect society has everyone making the same amount, thus i'll tax those who make more because they dont deserve it. i deserve it, because i sat on my ass collecting my welfare and child support checks, spent half of it on drugs, the other half on lottery tickets, and damn if i'm not broke now. forget getting a job, i got three kids to support!! now tax that rich person for making more money then i do, what the hell he do? found microsoft? well forget that, i need more drug money, so take all his s***!!!

damn communists, you're why this country is falling apart

Best rant EVAR. (attn)

LOLLERSKATES!!

 

[Kooldino]

corporate handouts (how's that for a socialist system? free $100k SUVs for CEOs! (yippy)

Free $100k SUVs for CEOs? I hope you're not confusing the write off for work trucks (ie, tractor traliers) with something else.

 

[Kooldino]

contradict yourself much lately? question from the SATs that you had to take prior to "community college" (nice attack (bird) ) the Postal Service is to parcel delivery as socialized medicine is to healthcare. by promoting the USPS you would be a proponent of socialized medicine...

pwn3d

 

[PhreakV]

Forbes Write-up on the proposal that later became law:
http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/21/cx_da_0121topnews.html
the write-off is $75k for 'trucks' over 3 tons. Hummer H2, BMW X5, etc. I agree that small businesses need help to grow but I don't want any part of buying my neighbor an H2 because he runs a ******* eBay company ("its to haul s*** to/from the airport." right...). I'm not sure how to write the law (never really tried to figure out the exact necessary wording) but this isn't it...

P.S. thanks for making me research (not sarcasm), I really did think the write off was $100k...
P.S.2 me pwned? or I pwned him? (sorry, too much work today, hence why I'm on here blowing off steam...)

 

[Kooldino]

Forbes Write-up on the proposal that later became law:
http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/21/cx_da_0121topnews.html
the write-off is $75k for 'trucks' over 3 tons. Hummer H2, BMW X5, etc. I agree that small businesses need help to grow but I don't want any part of buying my neighbor an H2 because he runs a ******* eBay company ("its to haul s*** to/from the airport." right...). I'm not sure how to write the law (never really tried to figure out the exact necessary wording) but this isn't it...

H2 : Curb Weight: 6400 lbs.

Damn, just makes it. Well, you're always going to get some of that with these things, but it's really meant for tractor trailers and big pickups and s***.

And btw, don't assume that since it's a "write off" that it's free. It just means that the money that is used to pay for said vehicle isn't taxed. That's FAR from being free.

P.S. thanks for making me research (not sarcasm), I really did think the write off was $100k...

P.S.2 me pwned? or I pwned him? (sorry, too much work today, hence why I'm on here blowing off steam...)

You owned him, but then he came back with a good argument.

 

[PhreakV]

yeah, I can appreciate that

it was my understanding preivously that the cost of the vehicle was deemed a 'business expense' necessary for commerce and hence the price of the vehicle is taken off of the amount of tax that the company owed. economics isn't my best suit so I could be wrong on that, I mostly learned about it from a political perspective...

my draft PSA for the day: a vote for Nader is a fine choice and anyone who believes that he best represents them should vote him. or make sure to look at the Libertarian Party and Baradnik (sp?), but this election doesn't appear to have a viable third candidate so most everyone should entertain the idea that their interests would be best served by chosing to vote for/against the major two candidates. ideally I'd be hanging out, voting for the Libertarians (social-compassionate wing, but still within the Libertarians) but Kerry has my vote because I believe that the America that my kids will probably be born into in the next couple years will be a much scarier (economically and diplomatically) place if Bush runs things much longer...

 

[M=SP^2]

on that note, screw going to war. i dont care if another countries leader is killing his own people, as long as i'm alive! **** other countries. i dont want to help anyone but myself.

Hey let's go to war with every country that has an oppressive government or a dictator who has committed attrocities. Oh wait, that means we'd have to simultaneously go to war with about oh...20-30 countries (many of which US considers allies), I could produce a list if you want. Why'd we pick Iraq? If you think it was out of Bush's kindness towards its people, you've got another thing coming. I like how his rationale changes everytime his previous assertions are disproven...and he has the balls to call Kerry a flip-flopper. I really do despise Bush and his entire administration (only Powell seems to have any shred of ethical fibre).

 

[vindication]

yes vote for bush(sarcasm). maybe next we can go to war with South Africa and take all there diamond mines and have bush say it was to stop segregation all while spending another 150 billion dollars of our non hard earned money. friggin retarded ass fool.

 

[changedman]

Hey let's go to war with every country that has an oppressive government or a dictator who has committed attrocities. Oh wait, that means we'd have to simultaneously go to war with about oh...20-30 countries (many of which US considers allies), I could produce a list if you want. Why'd we pick Iraq? If you think it was out of Bush's kindness towards its people, you've got another thing coming. I like how his rationale changes everytime his previous assertions are disproven...and he has the balls to call Kerry a flip-flopper. I really do despise Bush and his entire administration (only Powell seems to have any shred of ethical fibre).

yes. go ahead and make that list, and then produce proof that we're allies with over 66% of them.

 

[girth]

Easy. If you're married and/or have kids, vote for Bush because he'll give you a ton of my tax money since you popped out a brat and/or have the security of a 2-income marriage (yes, that's backwards "logic"). If you enjoy voting for a guy that will blow a bunch of sunshine up your ass simply because he knows it's what you want to hear, then vote for Kerry. If you're smart, like me, then vote for NEITHER of those turds.

 

[yashooa]

Easy. If you're married and/or have kids, vote for Bush because he'll give you a ton of my tax money since you popped out a brat and/or have the security of a 2-income marriage (yes, that's backwards "logic"). If you enjoy voting for a guy that will blow a bunch of sunshine up your ass simply because he knows it's what you want to hear, then vote for Kerry. If you're smart, like me, then vote for NEITHER of those turds.

Hey now it's my money I am getting back. 3-6 grand out of the 20 grand I pay in aint a whole hell of a lot. I do agree that the only fair tax is a flat tax no deductions, no exemptions, just 10% from everyone.

 

[girth]

Hey now it's my money I am getting back. 3-6 grand out of the 20 grand I pay in aint a whole hell of a lot. I do agree that the only fair tax is a flat tax no deductions, no exemptions, just 10% from everyone.

Yup, that's basically what I'm saying - a flat tax is the only fair tax. The way things are now, that 3-6 that you get back isn't your money! A real world example is my buddy at work. He's divorced with 1 kid and owns a home. I'm single, no kids, and rent. He makes 20k more per year than I do. But get this - HE PAID LESS INCOME TAX THAN I DID LAST YEAR!! How can any sane person agree with that?! But you've always been a little "coo-coo" Yash, so I don't expect you to agree, heheeh.(hi)(evil)

 

[katsmp3]

I havent read any post on this thread.. but let me suggest that you come here for car info, (or a good political debate), but for the facts, read each of their websites and choose your candidate what they stand for, not for what we argue about.

 

[chkmgnt58]

i said i was done with this thread, but vindication has crossed the damn line
"yes vote for bush(sarcasm). maybe next we can go to war with South Africa and take all there diamond mines"

now i'm gonna try real hard to lay this out really really clear
WE
DID
NOT
TAKE
ANY
OF
THEIR
OIL


i do hope this helps clarify things. if this was about oil, then my premium gas should be wayyy below the $2 a gallon i'm payin.. and here in texas its one of the cheapest in the nation

 

[changedman]

LOL no joke. i wouldnt be payin 2.35!!!
good point.

 

[chuyler1]

I havent read any post on this thread.. but let me suggest that you come here for car info, (or a good political debate), but for the facts, read each of their websites and choose your candidate what they stand for, not for what we argue about.

It is sad that people will actually base their vote on what the media covers (military scandals, etc...). Everyone has dirt in their past that can be dug up and if anything is more than 5-10 years old I personally think it is irrelevant. Think about who you were 10 years ago and ask yourself if you would hire yourself for your current job based on that. What matters is where the candidates stand now and what they want to do with the country now.

You need to know what issues affect you and where each candidate stands on those issues. You need to look at Bush's past 4 years and decide whether Kerry can do a better job with the next 4 or whether keeping Bush in office is the best route. Look at what Bush proposed to do 4 years ago and what he actually did. Look at what Kerry has accomplished in the past 4 years of his political career. Make the decision your self, don't let others push their views on you.

 

[vindication]

I know I was just makin a point. But also it isn't the center of terrorism as the pres likes to put it either. Funny I dont see him trying to interveen(sp?) in Korea except blow hot air. Only in places of interest.

i said i was done with this thread, but vindication has crossed the damn line
"yes vote for bush(sarcasm). maybe next we can go to war with South Africa and take all there diamond mines"

now i'm gonna try real hard to lay this out really really clear
WE
DID
NOT
TAKE
ANY
OF
THEIR
OIL


i do hope this helps clarify things. if this was about oil, then my premium gas should be wayyy below the $2 a gallon i'm payin.. and here in texas its one of the cheapest in the nation

 

[Midnight22]

wow,
it's amazing how young people view the world. (not singling anyone out here). me, personally...i'm voting for bush. why? well, with kerry's views going back and forth on things, who knows where the country would be after 4 years of his bs. yeah, kerry has a "great plan" on how to do things in iraq...hind-sight is 20/20. and about people's jobs being sent over seas...who is kerry's wife? how much of her s*** is done over seas?...but that's ok. doesn't kerry himself own companies over seas? yeah, he's contributing to our country.

and let's not forget that we're not voting for just one person. bush has had great backing by his cabinet while in office. who will kerry have? ted kennedy? great. i don't know. politics are ******-up anyway. people listen to their friends more than they listen to the facts. if everyone on here would actually do some research on the people they support, they may find out that what they think is true, usually isn't.

that's my .02

wait kerry has ted kennedy behind him? **** that... i was gonna vote for bush but was hearing it out for kerry, but now im decided... no way im gonna support a murderer...