Burnt #4 cylinder

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Calling all engine experts. My # 4 piston rings and cylinder wall are toast but the other 3 are fine. Compression is at less than 50% for # 4 and # 1 & # 2 are down about 20%. Dealer said it was most likely caused by oil starvation because I had ran it dry, did not change my oil or using aftermarket oil filters. Unfortunately none of the possible causes are true. They want $3800 to replace the short block!

Heres a short background. Before the recalled my engine sucked in a VCTS screw and blew the # 4 sparkplug. Took it to the dealer and they wanted $1400 to replace the intake manifold because it was a thousand miles past warranty. Since I didnt have that much money at the time I bought a used manifold and was going to replace it but the car ran find after it left the dealer so I kept the used manifold in the garage waiting for a rainy day. A few months later during a trip while driving in the middle of nowhere my engine sucked in another screw and again blew the number 4 sparkplug. Having no tools or plug I had to drive about 30 miles with just 3 cylinders until I found a gas station that could replace the bad plug. The car ran find after the plug replacement. A couple months later the recall came and my manifold was replaced.
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About a month after having the recall done my oil light came on and my engine was down to about a quart of oil and it has been burning a quart of oil about every 800 miles since. was my engine damaged by oil starvation when it was down to a quart? I had changed the oil just a few thousand miles before the oil light came on so it had to have been burning oil excessively causing the oil light to come on. So my question is: Is it possible that I had damaged the # 4 cylinder by driving it without combustion and not by oil starvation? If not, then what caused the excessive oil consumption?

Any suggestions would be appreciated because I don't want to make the repair and than have it go bad again.<O:p
 
the screw did damage to your engine, bring your car back to the dealer and make them have the recall cover the engine... if they won't, then call mazda usa and explain to them what happened
 
Yup, screw damaged the piston. They need to fix that. The lack of oil is caused by the bad piston from screw damage....
 
They charged me $800 to pull the head to check the cylinders and the mechanic said he did not find any damage caused by the screws that go sucked in.

I'm going back to the dealer on Thursday to see the engine myself and take picture so I can get a second opinion.

It was suggested to me to make a plea to Mazda for help in paying for a new block.
 
I'm assuming that when you say the screw blew the plug, you mean it impacted the plug and shattered it.

My question(s) that might help you are . . .

(1) What became of the screw? Was it blown out past a valve? Was the valve or the valve seat damaged as well?

(2) What became of the porcelain and other parts of the plug? This is the likely culprit. Porcelain and the other debris (porcelain in particular) would act as a powerful abrasive on cylinder walls and rings. That is likely why the compression failure took some engine operating to show up. Just imagine the piston and rings scrubbing the cylinder wall with powdered porcelain (kinda like ajax) at 3-4k rpm ~ ouch. The crown of the piston may look fine - the damage is done to the walls and rings with each stroke of the piston.
 
it's hard to believe that none of the metioned debris didn't impact something on the way out!
 
bazooka joe said:
it's hard to believe that none of the metioned debris didn't impact something on the way out!

True

Plus, the porcelain would be pulverized almost instantaneously. it would take a short while for it to scour the cylinder and rings enough for compression to go, It probably wouldn't be an obvious scoring of the walls, but would likely polish them nicely
 
Ok, I guess I shouldn't have said "it blew the plugs." The plug's electrodes were smashed and welded together but no damage was done to the porcelane casing. The screws were probably blown out to the exhaust because I heard pinging right after the engine started shuttering.

I also found it hard to believe that there wasn't any degree of damage after sucking in two screws which caused plug damage but it is possible. I'll just wait until I examine the engine in person.
 
Oil starvation affects ALL the cylinders! One low compression like that is clearly (to me) secondary damage from the screw failure! Stick to yer guns and FIGHT this!
Good luck! Get a lawyer.
 
P-Funk! said:
Oil starvation affects ALL the cylinders! One low compression like that is clearly (to me) secondary damage from the screw failure! Stick to yer guns and FIGHT this!
Good luck! Get a lawyer.

While I believe he has a case for trying to get it warrantied because of the intake screw, I don't believe this is what caused his motor to let go. He says in his post that the other three cylinders are down in compression 20%. That is NOT NORMAL! And, that would not be caused by the intake screw....

Dan
 
Oh, and when it comes to "excessive" oil burning, remember that most auto manufacturers consider anything less than 1 quart per thousand miles to be "normal".
 
dude you shouldnt have to pay a dime for this if this is all caused by the screw, that was a recall that obviously wasnt performed properly. Stick it to them man
 
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