brake pads and rotors questions...

Bijou-MP5

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just installed new rotors and pads at midas....but is it normal to smell something burning and see small amount of smoke after installation?
midas told me it's normal because they have lubed caliper slides/pins. and I saw them spraying something to my rotors before install them.
all of my rotors are looks normal except driver's side rear rotor. it has purplish colors surrounds rotor hub..
 
Doesn't sound right to me... Especially the discoloring?
Bijou-MP5 said:
just installed new rotors and pads at midas....but is it normal to smell something burning and see small amount of smoke after installation?
midas told me it's normal because they have lubed caliper slides/pins. and I saw them spraying something to my rotors before install them.
all of my rotors are looks normal except driver's side rear rotor. it has purplish colors surrounds rotor hub..
 
Mmmmmken said:
Doesn't sound right to me... Especially the discoloring?

I will probaby take them to look at it tomorrow. but it's not whole rotor having purplish color, only about 1" from rotor hub...
 
Do you know what types of pads they used ?

Last time I got Satisfied pads at Canadian Tires (for a Nissan Quest 94),
they kept on smelling bad for a week. Got them replaced with Monroe pads
and they were OK after 10 minutes.
I would not be surprized if they installed cheap pads with a bad compound (bad mix with too much epoxy).

For my P5, I change the pads myself and buy better quality pads like Hawk, KVR, EBC, Axxis ... (I use KVR pads).
 
GhostLinker said:
Do you know what types of pads they used ?

Last time I got Satisfied pads at Canadian Tires (for a Nissan Quest 94),
they kept on smelling bad for a week. Got them replaced with Monroe pads
and they were OK after 10 minutes.
I would not be surprized if they installed cheap pads with a bad compound (bad mix with too much epoxy).

For my P5, I change the pads myself and buy better quality pads like Hawk, KVR, EBC, Axxis ... (I use KVR pads).

I got pads and rotors from forum (procarparts.com), so it's good quality.
I think I just have to drive around to see if they will continue.
but I'm just wondering if smell is normal for new setup like midas told me
 
The smell is normal after you bed the pads. If the rotor is a purplish color, that usually indicates it's been heated quite a bit. That really shouldn't happen on a rear rotor. My track rotors don't even look like that. After you drive the car, can you "feel" a difference in the heat given off by the rear rotors?

Mazda seems to use this funky adjuster on the rear calipers, and you're supposed to adjust the pads so that they make contact, then back off just a bit so the pads aren't dragging excessively on the rotors. This procedure is on page 04-11-22 of the Protege service manual. My guess is that the tech either didn't know what (s)he was doing, or just didn't do it right. The tech probably didn't back off the adjustment bolt enough and you're dragging that one set of pads bad enough that it's overheating the rotor causing the burning smell and the purplish color on the rotor.

When people say the burning smell is normal, it is, but only when bedding the pads in because you're getting the pads so friggin hot. I've never smelled a burning smell from the brakes when driving at a normal street pace, only when pushing the pads and really getting some heat into them. You need to have someone look at that rear caliper.

As for parts, some of you may laugh, but I (and several others) have had very, very good luck with Autozone Duralast rotors. I use them on the track car with very good results. They last around an entire season before they have to be replaced. Rotors are a wear item, so for me, if I can get away with a $30 part vs. a $100 part that performs just a well, that's the ticket for me. If you want some prettier rotors, take a look at Cobalt Friction. I use Cobalt Friction rotors on my P5 with Hawk pads. Very good combo. I don't bother with cross drilling or slotting. As for pads, Hawk HPS or HP+ for the street (HP+ if you don't mind the dusting and the noise). For the track I use Hawk Blues or HT10s in the track car. Great pads!
 
71dsp said:
The smell is normal after you bed the pads. If the rotor is a purplish color, that usually indicates it's been heated quite a bit. That really shouldn't happen on a rear rotor. My track rotors don't even look like that. After you drive the car, can you "feel" a difference in the heat given off by the rear rotors?

Mazda seems to use this funky adjuster on the rear calipers, and you're supposed to adjust the pads so that they make contact, then back off just a bit so the pads aren't dragging excessively on the rotors. This procedure is on page 04-11-22 of the Protege service manual. My guess is that the tech either didn't know what (s)he was doing, or just didn't do it right. The tech probably didn't back off the adjustment bolt enough and you're dragging that one set of pads bad enough that it's overheating the rotor causing the burning smell and the purplish color on the rotor.

When people say the burning smell is normal, it is, but only when bedding the pads in because you're getting the pads so friggin hot. I've never smelled a burning smell from the brakes when driving at a normal street pace, only when pushing the pads and really getting some heat into them. You need to have someone look at that rear caliper.

As for parts, some of you may laugh, but I (and several others) have had very, very good luck with Autozone Duralast rotors. I use them on the track car with very good results. They last around an entire season before they have to be replaced. Rotors are a wear item, so for me, if I can get away with a $30 part vs. a $100 part that performs just a well, that's the ticket for me. If you want some prettier rotors, take a look at Cobalt Friction. I use Cobalt Friction rotors on my P5 with Hawk pads. Very good combo. I don't bother with cross drilling or slotting. As for pads, Hawk HPS or HP+ for the street (HP+ if you don't mind the dusting and the noise). For the track I use Hawk Blues or HT10s in the track car. Great pads!


thanks for the good info, I will take car back to Midas tomorrow and let them look at it. It's just weird only driver side rear rotor is having this symptom.
 
Try this. Jack up the rear of the car with the parking brake off. Is the driver's side wheel harder to turn? If so, the brake pads are probably dragging.
 
71dsp said:
Try this. Jack up the rear of the car with the parking brake off. Is the driver's side wheel harder to turn? If so, the brake pads are probably dragging.

it's too late to do that now :p but thanks for the great tip.

oh btw, do you know if front and rear rotors are same thing? cause I don't know if they installed front and rear rotors right. I bought this
Centric Blank Rotors
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Protege5, MP3, and Protege 2.0L W/ Rear Disc

Front Blank Rotors: $32.00/Pair
Rear Blank Rotors: $24.00/Pair
 
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A tech would have to use a BFH to install the front rotors on the rear, as the fronts are vented, and much thicker. :)
 
71dsp said:
A tech would have to use a BFH to install the front rotors on the rear, as the fronts are vented, and much thicker. :)

sorry for being ignorant, but what is BFH?? (boom07)
 
just found out my rear left caliper is not working... does anyone knows how much is the caliper?
 
Mazda originals remanufactured (ACEI brand) $115.00 + $40 for the core
A1 Cardone around $80 + $60 for the core for OEM.

There is a lot of them on ebay.
 
u should be able to go get a rebuilt one at autozone (for cheaper) or somthing. unless u just really need to have a new one. couldnt tell u prices though sorry
 
I'm going with what was said up a ways. New Brembo c/s rotors & hawk hps pads yielded no smell, no smoke, no rotor discoloration. Just a little extra noise until bedded in. The color purple is a dragger..........
 
Bijou-MP5 said:
just found out my rear left caliper is not working... does anyone knows how much is the caliper?

It's not working now that it had pads installed incorrectly adjusted & overheated? Midas should be springing for that but don't let them install it..............
 

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