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I like it more and more
Pictures 6 side quarter view) and 19 (bird's eye view of the hood and front fenders) really show off the sportiness of the new skin.
I would definitely look at one if I were in the market. In my opnion 09 and 10 have design elements that make them extremely sexy cars in their own right. They're just different.
Those of you who are poo-pooing the 2010 look would probably rather Mazda get derivative with their designs than take chances.
What derivative gets you are cars like the camry and accord. You want to see bad design? Just look at the new Acuras. That silver bottle opener beak is both awkward and cheezy. A textbook example of over design that has no redeeming qualities. It's not voluptuous, not sexy, not intriguing, just a bunch of poor design elements pasted together.
I think Mazda designers are anything but heavy handed with their designs. Mazda designs remind me of european designers like Pina Farina, who also did a lot of of work for Peugot.
Those of you who think it looks like a Matrix. I can see some similarities. The more glaring difference is that the Matrix is more angular and less intergrated.
Nissan also does a pretty good job with their new designs- not surprising since they are owned by a European company.
Pictures 6 side quarter view) and 19 (bird's eye view of the hood and front fenders) really show off the sportiness of the new skin.
I would definitely look at one if I were in the market. In my opnion 09 and 10 have design elements that make them extremely sexy cars in their own right. They're just different.
Those of you who are poo-pooing the 2010 look would probably rather Mazda get derivative with their designs than take chances.
What derivative gets you are cars like the camry and accord. You want to see bad design? Just look at the new Acuras. That silver bottle opener beak is both awkward and cheezy. A textbook example of over design that has no redeeming qualities. It's not voluptuous, not sexy, not intriguing, just a bunch of poor design elements pasted together.
I think Mazda designers are anything but heavy handed with their designs. Mazda designs remind me of european designers like Pina Farina, who also did a lot of of work for Peugot.
Those of you who think it looks like a Matrix. I can see some similarities. The more glaring difference is that the Matrix is more angular and less intergrated.
Nissan also does a pretty good job with their new designs- not surprising since they are owned by a European company.
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Pics of the 2010 Mazda MPS from Geneva.
great good ****** goo! our car got sooo ugly! its like, that girl back in high school who was REALLY hot and you see her years later and shes this sweat beast. sad day man. im glad i got my 09 now haha.
I beg to differ. I don't mind new and refeshing designs, but ugly is ugly any way you slice it.
Chris Bangle BMW's were new and different........AND UGLY
Acuras New front End Philosophy is new and different.....AND UGLY
The new 370 Z is an evolution and a jarring one but not hideous.
I don't mind new, but I don't like ugly.
sanblaster
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- 2009 CWP Mazda Axela Sport & 2006 Nissan 350z
Again, ass ugly. I was so looking forward to purchasing this vehicle too. And the only good angle shot of this car is it, behind any wall.
BlackCherry06
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- '17 CX-3 GT
This opinion isn't just among us on this forum either. While sitting in the service department yesterday, the service manager brought up the new 3 to me and I said "ugly front fascia" and she said that's been EVERYONE's reaction that she's spoken to so far.
They just got a truckload of them in yesterday (after I left). Wish I coulda seen them in person. I guess I'll cop a view whenever I go pick my car up.
They just got a truckload of them in yesterday (after I left). Wish I coulda seen them in person. I guess I'll cop a view whenever I go pick my car up.
theres a new post on autoblog that says the 2010 mazdaspeed3 has 256hp and 280 tq. To make that model less stealth with a hood scoop and a crazy air dam and put less power to the ground then the leaving model doesn't make sense to me. I am glad I bought this car when I did.
happy and angry
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That's either the same power or slightly more than the current European MPS. It's a bit lower than the NA model because of emissions restrictions.
The 2010 Mazdaspeed3 we get in NA is supposed to have 268, which is a small bump.
You guys all expect the car to evolve significantly for some reason. Why would they do that? The car is still at the top of its segment, and significant dynamics/power train/drive train/suspension changes require a lot of time and money to R&D and to get them right - money that no one in the world has right now. The out-going Mazda3 was a winner, a class leader that faced very little competition, and they opted (wisely, I think) to leave it relatively unchanged but give it a bit of a facelift. It's hard to follow up a great car with a ground-up rebuild that is just as good or better, and it's also risky for companies to try this. That's not what this is. The core of the car remains the same. Same platform, same suspension and brakes more or less, same drivetrains more or less.
If you were expecting more, you need to revisit your expectations and understandings of car manufacturing.
The 2010 Mazdaspeed3 we get in NA is supposed to have 268, which is a small bump.
You guys all expect the car to evolve significantly for some reason. Why would they do that? The car is still at the top of its segment, and significant dynamics/power train/drive train/suspension changes require a lot of time and money to R&D and to get them right - money that no one in the world has right now. The out-going Mazda3 was a winner, a class leader that faced very little competition, and they opted (wisely, I think) to leave it relatively unchanged but give it a bit of a facelift. It's hard to follow up a great car with a ground-up rebuild that is just as good or better, and it's also risky for companies to try this. That's not what this is. The core of the car remains the same. Same platform, same suspension and brakes more or less, same drivetrains more or less.
If you were expecting more, you need to revisit your expectations and understandings of car manufacturing.
I kinda like it... got a bit of a mean look to it.... but it is kinda ugly. Kinda like an STI...ugly. My biggest regret about it is the smile, and some of the lines remind me of a 02 mercury cougar or a scion or something (can't quite put my finger on it.) But over all I like it. I like the rear of the car A lot.
I would have to dispute this. I studied aerospace engineering in school (have a degree in it), and spent some time working with wind/water tunnels.
Look at the profile (side view) of the current and 2010 MS3. The curve over the front hood, from about 6 inches below the emblem to the mouth of the scoop can be approximated as 1/4 of a circle or sphere. In fact it is a little less than 1/4. You can use the model of airflow over a sphere or cylinder as an approximation for airflow over the hood.
Spheres/cylinders are horribly un aerodynamic. Not because the face pushing through the air is blunt, but because as the air moves around the sphere and curves around the back of it, you get bad separation effects, causing turbulent flow and hence drag. This separation occurs at a point before the top/bottom of the sphere (again if your looking at a side view/cross section of the sphere).
Where the MS3 differs from the aerodynamic profile of a sphere is in the fact that the hood rises as the air flows from the front edge towards the windshield. This keeps air pressure levels higher on the hood and helps reduce separation effects. The scoop is also placed far enough forward, and sticks up enough to not be effected by separation effects.
Further backing my claim is the salt lines on the hood of my car. I get white streaks from leading edge of the hood almost all the way up to the windshield. They indicate the way the air flows over the front of the car (as it does it pushes water and salt sprayed from the road up the hood). If it did indeed flow as you suggested these lines would cease to be straight after the point of airflow separation.
For an effect like what you talk about, you would need a condition creating a shock wave off the hood of the car. For that you you need near sonic/supersonic (Mach 1 ish) velocities. From there you start dealing with compressible flow issues etc etc etc. Sadly our little Mazdas just can't go that fast.
-Pete
I would have to dispute this. I studied aerospace engineering in school (have a degree in it), and spent some time working with wind/water tunnels.
Look at the profile (side view) of the current and 2010 MS3. The curve over the front hood, from about 6 inches below the emblem to the mouth of the scoop can be approximated as 1/4 of a circle or sphere. In fact it is a little less than 1/4. You can use the model of airflow over a sphere or cylinder as an approximation for airflow over the hood.
Spheres/cylinders are horribly un aerodynamic. Not because the face pushing through the air is blunt, but because as the air moves around the sphere and curves around the back of it, you get bad separation effects, causing turbulent flow and hence drag. This separation occurs at a point before the top/bottom of the sphere (again if your looking at a side view/cross section of the sphere).
Where the MS3 differs from the aerodynamic profile of a sphere is in the fact that the hood rises as the air flows from the front edge towards the windshield. This keeps air pressure levels higher on the hood and helps reduce separation effects. The scoop is also placed far enough forward, and sticks up enough to not be effected by separation effects.
Further backing my claim is the salt lines on the hood of my car. I get white streaks from leading edge of the hood almost all the way up to the windshield. They indicate the way the air flows over the front of the car (as it does it pushes water and salt sprayed from the road up the hood). If it did indeed flow as you suggested these lines would cease to be straight after the point of airflow separation.
For an effect like what you talk about, you would need a condition creating a shock wave off the hood of the car. For that you you need near sonic/supersonic (Mach 1 ish) velocities. From there you start dealing with compressible flow issues etc etc etc. Sadly our little Mazdas just can't go that fast.
-Pete
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oaklandopen
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even though delaware doesn't require front license plates, i might be willing to make an exception to help cover up some of that happy face
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