The dual exhaust is just a traverse muffler with 2 exhaust exits. The new "dual" exhaust will do nothing for performance. The setup is more for looks, than anything else.
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mazdaspeed32007
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my cousin has a '08 wrx and his temps are lower than mine because of the hood scoop. our designs with the hidden ducting work pretty well in regards to cooling....but the scoop will always prevail because its a direct flow of air. i on the other hand would prefer the hidden ducting to have a normal hood without the fancy scoop and deal with a few degrees. i dont mind the new mps. not sure i like the back head rests but thats petty complaining. the car doesnt look to bad its just a little to much for what it is. i own an '07 and the styling is sporty but sleek, you all know this already. this is starting to fit into the "i own a super fast car look at me" crowd. (sti, evo) and unfortunately this car cant keep up with those cars because of a couple small setbacks. once this car becomes AWD and they can get another 30 hp out of the motor without having the technical problems we all face now then theyll be set. this car would be a beast without competition. though the AWD will set the price about 5000 higher. which i would pay for. any other thoughts?
My thoughts are you are talking about MS6.
Man those taillights stick out!
Not sure if I like the seats, yea they might look classier but I would rather be kept in the seat around corner.
They say theres a good chance it will have the revoknuckles in it.
Also the talk about the hoodscoop, the car has to be aerodynamically designed for one. Probably the man reason our car does not have one is the fact the nose on our car is pretty blunt and air floors over the hood to the windshield and would miss the hood scoop (unless it was really really tall). I also do not believe there will ever be a AWD MS3 just because of the price point.
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I'm willing to bet that if the RevoKnuckle suspension Ford is using in the RS makes it into the Speed3, they'll be able to nearly eliminate boost cut in first and second, which could cut a few tenths from a well run 1/4. You don't always need to add more power to make a car faster.
Unfortunately, HP numbers are the first and last thing people look at when looking at a car's specs.
I was looking at a Lotus at the auto show this past weekend and some kid walks up to it, goes straight to the specification platter and see's that it "only" has 212 hp. He goes "212 hp, that's it! What the f***!". I looked at him, shook my head and walked away.
He obviously had no idea what a Lotus was.
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Earlier today we showed you the first images of the European-spec 2010 Mazda3 MPS, known to us as the Mazdaspeed3, and there's no mistaking it for its predecessor. Yet, under the shiny new skin, the changes aren't quite as pronounced -- not that we'd say that's a bad thing.
That's because behind that smiling face is a familiar car, one that we've grown to love for its bargain performance. Mazda's 2.3L turbocharged and direct-injected engine still resides between the front tires and sends power to them via a six-speed manual transmission, whose ratios have been revised for smoother acceleration. Power in this European-spec car is unchanged from 2009, still sitting at a healthy 256 hp and 280 lb-ft. It's good for 0 to 62 mph sprints of 6.1 seconds and a governed top speed of 155 mph, just like the last Euro-spec car. It also wears the same 12.6-in front and 11.0-in rear brakes as the old car, though Mazda has now added electronic Brake Assist to the ABS and stability control systems to keep everything in check.
What's new then? Well, the Mazdaspeed3, known as the Mazda3 MPS in Europe, now meets the strict Euro-V emissions standards thanks to the world's first single-nanotechnology catalytic converter. It's also more efficient, returning 26 mpg combined on the Euro-cycle, an improvement of nearly two mpg over the old car despite a 0.01 increase in the drag coefficient from 0.31 to 0.32. Mazda has also beefed up the frame around the front cowl and rear suspension to stiffen the car up and improve the handling. They even took it out to the Nurburgring to sort out the suspension and make it more stable in turns and especially over broken or wavy pavement. Wider tires on new 18-in wheels no doubt help the cornering performance as well.
The biggest changes, though, are skin-deep. The new Mazdaspeed3's Nagare-style grinning grille remains largely the same up front, but features reworked air intakes that feed passing air to the brakes more efficiently. Also of note on the front clip is the deletion of lower ducts set below the fog lights. More aggressive side skirts continue the Mazdaspeed theme along the flanks and to the rear, the enhancements culminate with a blacked-out rear diffuser sporting a dual exhaust. A more pronounced wing also perches above the five-door's hatchback. Bolder fenders house the larger wheel and tire setup, while the bulging hood features a gaping scoop to feed the intercooler.
The Euro-spec and U.S.-spec Mazdaspeed3 aren't identical, but the Mazda3 MPS should give us a pretty good idea of what to expect from the U.S. model. Though the U.S. car is more powerful than the Euro model, turning out 263 hp and 280 lb-ft, it looks as though we may not see a power increase either. Mazda has also put to bed rumors of an AWD Mazdaspeed3, telling Motor Trend that the AWD system that would fit the car takes up too much space and wouldn't stand up to the power of the Mazdaspeed3's engine. We'll find out all the exact specs on the U.S. model when it debuts at the New York Auto Show in April 2009.
Earlier today we showed you the first images of the European-spec 2010 Mazda3 MPS, known to us as the Mazdaspeed3, and there's no mistaking it for its predecessor. Yet, under the shiny new skin, the changes aren't quite as pronounced -- not that we'd say that's a bad thing.
That's because behind that smiling face is a familiar car, one that we've grown to love for its bargain performance. Mazda's 2.3L turbocharged and direct-injected engine still resides between the front tires and sends power to them via a six-speed manual transmission, whose ratios have been revised for smoother acceleration. Power in this European-spec car is unchanged from 2009, still sitting at a healthy 256 hp and 280 lb-ft. It's good for 0 to 62 mph sprints of 6.1 seconds and a governed top speed of 155 mph, just like the last Euro-spec car. It also wears the same 12.6-in front and 11.0-in rear brakes as the old car, though Mazda has now added electronic Brake Assist to the ABS and stability control systems to keep everything in check.
What's new then? Well, the Mazdaspeed3, known as the Mazda3 MPS in Europe, now meets the strict Euro-V emissions standards thanks to the world's first single-nanotechnology catalytic converter. It's also more efficient, returning 26 mpg combined on the Euro-cycle, an improvement of nearly two mpg over the old car despite a 0.01 increase in the drag coefficient from 0.31 to 0.32. Mazda has also beefed up the frame around the front cowl and rear suspension to stiffen the car up and improve the handling. They even took it out to the Nurburgring to sort out the suspension and make it more stable in turns and especially over broken or wavy pavement. Wider tires on new 18-in wheels no doubt help the cornering performance as well.
The biggest changes, though, are skin-deep. The new Mazdaspeed3's Nagare-style grinning grille remains largely the same up front, but features reworked air intakes that feed passing air to the brakes more efficiently. Also of note on the front clip is the deletion of lower ducts set below the fog lights. More aggressive side skirts continue the Mazdaspeed theme along the flanks and to the rear, the enhancements culminate with a blacked-out rear diffuser sporting a dual exhaust. A more pronounced wing also perches above the five-door's hatchback. Bolder fenders house the larger wheel and tire setup, while the bulging hood features a gaping scoop to feed the intercooler.
The Euro-spec and U.S.-spec Mazdaspeed3 aren't identical, but the Mazda3 MPS should give us a pretty good idea of what to expect from the U.S. model. Though the U.S. car is more powerful than the Euro model, turning out 263 hp and 280 lb-ft, it looks as though we may not see a power increase either. Mazda has also put to bed rumors of an AWD Mazdaspeed3, telling Motor Trend that the AWD system that would fit the car takes up too much space and wouldn't stand up to the power of the Mazdaspeed3's engine. We'll find out all the exact specs on the U.S. model when it debuts at the New York Auto Show in April 2009.
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Sounds like you've fallen prey to the AWD PR machine. Don't get me wrong, AWD certainly has it's merits but it's no where near as valuable as most people think.
Take our car for example. Where might it be beneficial to have AWD? From a dig.. certainly. Driving through snow... absolutely. Twisties? This much is debateable. Stock vs stock, this car outhandles the awd WRX. While there are plenty of other factors involved, I think it stands to show that the lack of awd isn't dramatically hurting it in the curves. I mean hell... RWD is supposed to be the ideal setup and the MS3 owns a Mustang in the twisties... so let's keep things in perspective.
As for the other two points... I personally could care less about how fast a car can go from 0-60. 5-60 yes... but 0-60 implies I'm revvin the engine, dropping the clutch and burning up my ridiculously expensive tires. And for what? To beat the jerkoff in the riced out civic next to me? No thanks! As fast as this car might be... if THAT's what you're into, you definitely bought the wrong car. I never once spun the tires on my MSP and the same will definitely be said for this car. This is relevant because, from a roll, awd is virtually useless. Lastly.... traveling in bad weather. Obviously it's better to have awd. But is it necessary? I've got snow tires on mine and have no problems driving through thick snow and ice. Is my car as capable of driving quickly through this type of weather as an awd car? nope... but then again, during conditions like that I'm not going to be driving like that anyway. My goal is to get where I need safely. Snow tires on a FWD car is more than good enough to accomplish this goal.
Last but not least... awd adds weight and $ to the equation. Put the awd system from the MS6 into the MS3 and not only will the car cost more but it'll be slower over all. Just look at the Mitsu Ralliart.
So I'm actually happy they stuck with the FWD setup. At first I was like you... blindly thinking AWD was better and we should have it for that reason alone. But after analyzing things I realized that this setup best fit our performance (and budget) needs.
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+1 And in a racetrack with slow corners dare I say it may be worth more (if there's enough traction).
Tough if they did include it the reduction, or elimination of torquesteer would be enough in my book. Torquesteer is damn irritating if you're trying to have a light grip on the steering wheel.
Looking at this just made me hate it again. WTH Mazda!!!!! Not a flattering angle for this car.
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It's almost like it has gills in the front.
They seriously couldn't have made a worse mockery of that car.
They seriously couldn't have made a worse mockery of that car.
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I like it!!
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