2010 speed 3 faster than 08

[Jessman]

I would be bummed to have a 2010 and then get the new Car and Driver... GTI beat it in the comparo.[/QUOTE]

---Car and Driver is a rag....I never buy into any of the reviews that crap mag publishes.

 

[Design]

Meh...what really matters is straight line 0-60 and 1/4 mile, and the Speed 3 beat the GTI handily. All the other stuff is superficial and subjective, the only point I would agree with is the torque steer in the MS3, however it doesn't really matter so much when I see the GTI way back in my rearview mirror, ha ha.

Funny, I would have put it the other way around, but that's just me. The Cobalt SS/TC outperforms the MS3 in almost every performance metric - including acceleration if you utilize launch control and no-lift shift (unlike magazine tests). Despite the performance numbers, it was consistently edged out in comparison tests due mostly to its rental car interior.

Now the tables have turned, and the GTI offers a bit more refinement with the same power deficit compared to the MS3. I'm not saying I agree with C&D's final result, but I can certainly understand where they are coming from.

"Value" is a very subjective term.

 

[JUSPEED3]

hopefully this will help

sorry to say the 2010's are a little bit faster on top end because of the scoop mod raming cold air into the top mount it get alot colder then the previous speeds and they said that they twerked the ecu a little to incorparate the extra air fuel ratio which gives more power but lack there of the 08's are faster off the line and will beat a 2010 any day (dark)if u know how to driver so don't take ur dad from a roll go from a dead stop ABS OFF then see how u do.found info on u tube because i was piss that they ran a faster quater mile with damn near same car and that was the reason why(bow)

 

[Nliiitend1]

sorry to say the 2010's are a little bit faster on top end because of the scoop mod raming cold air into the top mount it get alot colder then the previous speeds and they said that they twerked the ecu a little to incorparate the extra air fuel ratio which gives more power but lack there of the 08's are faster off the line and will beat a 2010 any day (dark)if u know how to driver so don't take ur dad from a roll go from a dead stop ABS OFF then see how u do.found info on u tube because i was piss that they ran a faster quater mile with damn near same car and that was the reason why(bow)

Wow.

(boom08)

 

[mckraut]

sorry to say the 2010's are a little bit faster on top end because of the scoop mod raming cold air into the top mount it get alot colder then the previous speeds and they said that they twerked the ecu a little to incorparate the extra air fuel ratio which gives more power but lack there of the 08's are faster off the line and will beat a 2010 any day (dark)if u know how to driver so don't take ur dad from a roll go from a dead stop ABS OFF then see how u do.found info on u tube because i was piss that they ran a faster quater mile with damn near same car and that was the reason why(bow)

From what I've read, the first gens are just a hair faster in the 1/4 mile and I believe they're both governed at 155MPH. Between the first and second gen, it's a driver's race.

 

[Design]

Here's a good summary of the differences:

In the hands of our in-house test driver, the 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 accelerates to 60 mph in 6.4 seconds (6.1 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and runs down the 1320 in 14.4 seconds at 99.5 mph.

Compare this to the last previous-gen MS3 we tested, which hit 60 mph in 6.1 seconds (5.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and ran the quarter-mile in 14.4 seconds at 97 mph.

Did Mazda build a dud of a follow-up to its segment-busting, comparison-test-dominating hot hatch? Its turbocharged direct-injection 2.3-liter inline-4 is largely unchanged from the previous car, and our scales say that the 3,243-pound 2010 MS3 has gained just 52 pounds more. That's not nearly enough mass to account for 0.3 second to 60 mph, so something's not adding up.

After scrutinizing the acceleration data for both cars, we see precisely where the differences lie. Both cars require two gearchanges to reach 60 mph, but where the old car's shifts are clean and quick, the new car exhibits a time-sapping wiggle after each gearchange. These wiggles are the result of some kind of built-in throttle manipulation intended to protect the drivetrain from shift shock or to smooth the gearchanges. Either way, they are responsible for making the new MS3 slower to 60 mph.

By the end of the quarter-mile, though, the new car has caught up to the old car and bettered its trap speed besides. Our data stream shows that 4th-gear acceleration is clearly stouter in the new car. Again, with the same power and similar weight, this result is something of a surprise.

The reason is because the faster you go, the stronger the car grows. Mazda's big brains tell us that the larger air intake and new hood scoop for the intercooler work better at speed. By breathing in cooler fresh air and then chilling that air more effectively, the new car makes a bigger bang at high velocities that isn't reflected in the carryover ratings of 263 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 280 pound-feet of torque at 3,000 rpm.

 

[08cosmic3]

Tighten the clamps on your boost tubes. Tighten the clamp on your Turbo inlet were it connects to the turbo.

 

[R-X-R]

according to review the old is quicker and newer one is faster cuz of the scoop providing more air flow

 

[mckraut]

6.1 second 0-60? Quarter mile in 14.4? Who do they have driving these things? Owners are doing better than that at their local dragstrips every weekend.

 

[8.5MS3]

i dont think theyre allowed to power shift. ive gotten the car down to 5.7 0-60 and im sure i can get it lower when i get some lighter wheels and decent rubber

 

[daonly1around]

the 2010 is slower to 60 because they softened the shifts, and it takes a fraction of a second longer in each shift, but the top end, there is more air coming in for the intake and the scoop offers cooler air.

thats what all the magazines are concluding, its slower, but faster at the same time.

 

[MSMS3]

I simply do not buy the "more air into the intake" "more cool air" statements. Has anyone with a 2010 actually looked at the hood scoop on the 2007-2009 models? Yes, I said hood scoop. Very large duct from the front of the grill drawing cold air from outside and running just under the hood and directly to the large sealed area on top of the intercooler.

I defy anyone to factually support the argument that these two scoops functionally differ in performance in any material way. The new hood is a styling and marketing decision. If you like it, then go for it, but don't believe that the flow to the IC is any better from one design to the other. They both work very well in supplying outside air straight to the top of the IC.

BTW, I'm hitting 60 in 5.1-5.2 seconds, quarters in 13.4 to 13.5 seconds. 60-105 comes up in 8.0-8.3 seconds, with very minimal mods. Still running the stock hood, stock IC "scoop" and ducting to the front grill openings.

Gen 1 ram air intercooler scoop attached. Look up at the bottom side of the hood.

 

[ohioan]

Found these vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LMTbT1OmY0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPgjrAs3z8E&feature=related

Hey!! Hey!! easy with the street racing people lol.

HOLY s*** son!!!! look at the second video about 20 seconds in. Dude on the bike about a foot from the 2010?!?!?!

IDIOTS!!!

 

[ohioan]

Crap! and even before that! all those people standing around by their cars....

Unbelievable....

 

[sanblaster]

Found these vids.

Hey!! Hey!! easy with the street racing people lol.

You guys know the rules about street racing. Please delete them and do not post videos eveR again regarding it.

 

[hugador]

You guys know the rules about street racing. Please delete them and do not post videos eveR again regarding it.

done but too late lol.

 

[daonly1around]

I simply do not buy the "more air into the intake" "more cool air" statements. Has anyone with a 2010 actually looked at the hood scoop on the 2007-2009 models? Yes, I said hood scoop. Very large duct from the front of the grill drawing cold air from outside and running just under the hood and directly to the large sealed area on top of the intercooler.

I defy anyone to factually support the argument that these two scoops functionally differ in performance in any material way. The new hood is a styling and marketing decision. If you like it, then go for it, but don't believe that the flow to the IC is any better from one design to the other. They both work very well in supplying outside air straight to the top of the IC.

BTW, I'm hitting 60 in 5.1-5.2 seconds, quarters in 13.4 to 13.5 seconds. 60-105 comes up in 8.0-8.3 seconds, with very minimal mods. Still running the stock hood, stock IC "scoop" and ducting to the front grill openings.

Gen 1 ram air intercooler scoop attached. Look up at the bottom side of the hood.

the area where the old gen used the ram air for the intercooler, the new one uses that area to feed the intake while the scope is used to feed the intercooler.

 

[MSMS3]

the area where the old gen used the ram air for the intercooler, the new one uses that area to feed the intake while the scope is used to feed the intercooler.

Show me, please. I'm skeptical. For me, it does not matter, since I run a true CAI. But for many this would be important. True cold air to the intake air box? Pix please.

 

[mckraut]

Show me, please. I'm skeptical. For me, it does not matter, since I run a true CAI. But for many this would be important. True cold air to the intake air box? Pix please.

+1 - I want to see this myself.

 

[mazdaspeedster3]

Ya, there is a scoop to the air box?