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Agreed, and 505 dynoed 277whp on stock block.. (lol2)
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Agreed, and 505 dynoed 277whp on stock block.. (lol2)
SeR_Cyclops
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Lol, I deleted my post. You complained about it and I didnt feel like making another off topic post explaining my off topic post. But I guess I still ended up making an off topic post (idhitit).
yeah, and someone else brought up 505 anyways haha.
like i said i didnt want to threadjack either but too late now... btw wasn't complaining im just sarcastic and want to get more info about the people modding stock blocks in the other thread
satyr if doing a full forge sounds too expensive, maybe you want to take a look in that thread as it gets compiled... im hoping to aim for getting the most bang for (probably) around 2000-3000.
like i said i didnt want to threadjack either but too late now... btw wasn't complaining im just sarcastic and want to get more info about the people modding stock blocks in the other thread
satyr if doing a full forge sounds too expensive, maybe you want to take a look in that thread as it gets compiled... im hoping to aim for getting the most bang for (probably) around 2000-3000.
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This. Correct me if I'm wrong since I'm still pretty new to the car scene, but the MSP is not a straight line machine. Mazda put a ton of engineering and design into the suspension to get it to handle like a dream - for a reason! If they wanted it to just go fast in a straight line they would have dumped all that R&D into a brand new powerplant for the car with a bigger turbo, correct bore and stroke numbers, and numerous other "this and thats" to get the power up. They could have then just slapped the Protege suspension in and shoved it on the floorspace and said "HEY! Look! It's FAST!!!"
Like he said, get something else if you're just after some power. If you want some real high power numbers, you'll want an Evo or Scooby with some added boost. I plan to keep my MSP for a while and run the stock block for as long as I can. I'll slowly shoot for 220whp and just have fun with that since any more boost will cause a nice bang inside my engine compartment. When it's time for my MSP to be sold or retired, I'll probably get an Evo or STI, because at that time, I'll no longer be a low budget college kid.
Oh, and if you can't build that block yourself - you don't deserve to drive the car. That's what I was taught when rebuilding my first block. It may piss off some of you, but throwing money at something broken doesn't make you a problem solver - turning the wrench does. (2thumbs)
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littlemimus
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its kinda sad
hahah friends make fun of me cause they're like oh your cars hella slow. and im like lets go to the track and not a straight line. anyone can drive a straight line fast. but it takes finesse and experience to be able to take corners so gracefully as the msp does XD but no one gets itDIYSpeed#1193
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I thought these forums were to help and discuss topics in a mature fashion.....anyway I agree that throwing extra money to have someone else modify your car is not the best idea but not everyone is mechanically inclined and that is just how it is. For those that do wrench on their own stuff...I will say that you will understand your vehicle much better and that will make life easier when you are driving and something doesn't feel or sound right. If there were not people out there that had the money and lacked the knowledge/skills I would not have the extra cash to work on my projects. There are many ways to hit specific hp numbers....but some are safer than others....if you don't understand the difference find someone that does and have them do it for you.....there is nothing wrong with paying someone to do the job correctly as long as you can find someone that is out to help you and not just milk you for all the extra cash you have....as far as the MSP being an expensive investment to get good performance out of...you have to remember that the MSP went for something right around 20k brand new....where the MS3 goes for quite a bit more...so weighing the difference in sticker price I think the MSP is a very good platform for anyone looking for a fun street car. This is only my personal opinion and believe me there have been times where I thought about unloading my MSP and going with something else but I have stuck with it because I really like the car for the most part and if I have to throw a little money into the motor to get it to drive the way it should have from the factory I am willing to do that. Let us try to help by sharing our personal experiences good and bad and our expertise for those of us that refuse to pay labor costs hehehe
Ricktalife
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That entire paragraph you just typed...is stupid and ignorant. If everybody knew everything about cars and just did their own work, the world would be a very boring place. I am in no way even remotely a mechanic, therefore I refuse to risk ******* up my car even more by trying to fix it myself.
Instead, I chose to work on computers as a hobby, and maybe one day will make it my profession. I offer knowledge and cheap labor to friends and family when they need it, much like this community does to help others with car problems.
What I'm getting at is, not everybody knows how to fix a car, so don't be like the Nick Burns of the automotive world.
^^ This guy just covered every thought I had after reading this thread.
That's your opinion and it's fine you want to think like that, but let me show you why, in my opinion, a man should solve his own problems.
First of all, I built my first computer when I was 12, took apart and rebuilt my first engine when I was 13, tried jumping and doing stunts on my bike when I was 15. I take care of things myself, not hire someone to do it for me. Why? Because I'm a man and if another man can do it, so can I.
There is nothing wrong with helping out a fellow enthusiast, I think you misunderstood and misinterpreted my post. Everyone must learn somewhere - we do not pop out with infinite knowledge of one subject. Like I said in my first post, I'm still new and don't know hardly anything compared to a lot of guys here. However, if you asked me how to build a triangulated four link, what kind of mods to do to a Jeep to get it low and stable, make it a rock crawling monster - I'd be all over it, because I took the time to learn how! If you aren't willing to learn, you don't want it bad enough.
You should be self sufficient, reliable, and able to take care of all your own problems because you are supposed to be that way as a man. You don't pay another man to come work on your stuff - you learn how. Man up, crack open a book, grab a wrench and a beer, tell your buddies to come over, and get that problem solved. So many men today just pick up the phone and throw a handful of cash at their headaches (notcool) Not saying you're one of them, but don't limit yourself either.
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Again your post doesn't really make sense. It's great that you are willing to take on challenges by yourself, but there comes a limit. I do all the stuff on my MSP, but once its time to build the motor, im not touching it. Because one wrong thing sends the whole engine to s***, and then all the investment is wasted.
I believe respect needs to be given to those shops that know their stuff especially when it comes to engine tuning and building. And at the end of the day, no matter how much you read from a book, you will never build and engine or tune a car better than a professional shop can.
I believe respect needs to be given to those shops that know their stuff especially when it comes to engine tuning and building. And at the end of the day, no matter how much you read from a book, you will never build and engine or tune a car better than a professional shop can.
SeR_Cyclops
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Being a "MAN" has nothing to do with working on cars, jumping bikes or F'ing building computers straight out of the womb! Being a "MAN" is owning up to the decisions you make in life, and loving and caring for your family. I dont know how you think that those things have anything to do with being a "MAN". There is nothing Manly about working on cars or doing anything like that, being Manly is taking care of your family and loving you wife and kids.
I'm sorry if that rubbed me the wrong way.....
I'm sorry if that rubbed me the wrong way.....
Again, I'm misinterpreted. The only limits you have are the ones you put on yourself. If you want to stop at your engine, go for it. I won't, I'll build it in my garage if it takes me 4 months, I'm still gonna do it.
Never said shops are bad. I get the feeling some of you are looking for a fight. By the way...how exactly do you think those shops got started?
Wow....once again, taken out of context and misinterpreted. Never once did I say all those things are the ONLY way to be a man. Like I said above, seems like some of you are looking for a fight. Bunch of tough guys around here trying to act big on a forum. Oh, and since when is turning a wrench NOT manly? It's like mowing the grass, go inside and your wife/girlfriend jumps you - why? Because it's MANLY. Now go build something.
its nice that you have the time, the second car, the money, etc to spend 4 months pulling your engine, but i do not, and i'm sure a lot of other people don't either. if something goes wrong with my MSP, i'm walking everywhere and calling friends for rides.
im an engineer so i largely agree with you, but some people just honestly dont care, and that's their choice. theres no point in making sour grapes because people just dont want to deal with it - thats why professionals have a job, why they got good at it, and why they can be held liable (sometimes) for the work they do.
at the end of the day theres a million reasons why to do it, and just as many reasons why people don't want to. just accept that.
im an engineer so i largely agree with you, but some people just honestly dont care, and that's their choice. theres no point in making sour grapes because people just dont want to deal with it - thats why professionals have a job, why they got good at it, and why they can be held liable (sometimes) for the work they do.
at the end of the day theres a million reasons why to do it, and just as many reasons why people don't want to. just accept that.
Ricktalife
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^^ This sir, is one way to start a fight.
You are the one stating what is MANLY and what is not.
I work at a car dealership. I enjoy driving cars and learning about them. My family has always had a thing for cars and once I got my license, I acquired the taste as well. I am constantly trying to better my knowledge of cars, and nearly every time a part was installed on my MSP, I was right there beside the mechanic or my dad (depending on who I had install the part) watching closely so I understood what had to be done. However I am not a mechanically inclined individual when it comes to cars. Honestly I do not mind paying professionals to do the work for me. So I guess I'm not a manly man.
Either way, nobody is here to start a fight, and I did not intend to get in an argument when first reading this thread. It was simply that last paragraph in your post about "you do not deserve the car" that set me off.
I expect this will all be deleted but I thought I would make my point.
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Not trying to start an argument, all im saying is that me and you can not learn s*** from a book or from hearsay. Reading and doing are two different things. Ask people like Sam and Dana, who have built many MSP engines, and they will tell you how much differently they would build a MSP engine now, then their first MSP engine.
I see what you're saying. I'm not here to judge you, so don't take anything I say to heart because I don't know you. I assumed just about everyone on here was some sort of enthusiast who wrenches on their car. It's true, there are some things you'd rather pay someone to do, but even if I do that, I at least do it once to know how to do it.
Maybe you're not a manly man, maybe you are or maybe you're in the middle of the spectrum. I'll let you be the judge of that. I was simply passing on what was told to me and how I've done things. I was actually trying to encourage people to get out there and dive head first under the hood.
It's funny you mention that, I'm an engineering major. It's true, some people don't care and that's why Ferraris are hand made by gear heads and driven by rich boys who take them back to the dealer to get service
Then they're furious when a turbo'd Supra, Skyline, (insert fav fast car here) beats them in a race or drag. "but but but my Ferrari is supposed to be faster!" Same thing happens in the 4x4 world. We see guys who just dump money into their Jeeps, chrome this, chrome that. Meanwhile guys like me cut, weld, fabricate, and splice together parts from the junkyard and pieces of scrap steel and make something that flat out works - for 1/5 of the cost. Take fenders for instance: We take them, cut a little here, drill some holes there, and move them up a couple inches on the body so we can stuff the tires higher without more lift. Same thing costs $2000 for a bolt on kit! Some guys would just rather buy it.Well that's for sure. That's the beauty of building it yourself.
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bradboyd80
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Wow, I just wasted 30 minutes reading this thread and that is by far the smartest post I've seen. hahaha
Yeahhh soooo back ot...
My build:
giac 93 octane software-$500
borala twin exhaust- $1100
engineering racewerks twin smic intercoolers with cf shrouds-$1600(same power with stock ics but I was able to get more than 1 run in before massive heatsoak)
piggy downpipes(precat gutted stockers) $0
278awhp/330ft/lb tq
Hope this helps ^_^
My build:
giac 93 octane software-$500
borala twin exhaust- $1100
engineering racewerks twin smic intercoolers with cf shrouds-$1600(same power with stock ics but I was able to get more than 1 run in before massive heatsoak)
piggy downpipes(precat gutted stockers) $0
278awhp/330ft/lb tq
Hope this helps ^_^
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