Msp Vs. ???

[special--k]

Isnt its price now, less then the MSP was in 03.5?

 

[special--k]

and fmic's do not hurt the cars peformance at all. with the right size piping and intercooler, you wont know what lag is. plus colder and denser air is alot more important that 1/3 of a psi being dropped.

everyone that i talk to tell me that it takes longer for the Turbo to spool with a FMI, for sure the FMI cools better that is not the question. But for "peepyiness" the SMI would jump a little quicker?? Right?

 

[magnumP5]

everyone that i talk to tell me that it takes longer for the Turbo to spool with a FMI, for sure the FMI cools better that is not the question. But for "peepyiness" the SMI would jump a little quicker?? Right?

IC type and size have nothing to do with "spool" time. How fast the turbo spools up depends on the exhaust manifold and the exhaust. However, as some people were getting at, with a larger FMIC and larger piping there is a lot more volume to fill up. "Spool" time is unaffected but time to full boost may be. Again, this is highly dependent on the size of the IC core and piping, the length of the piping and the size of the turbo.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

If you got smoked by a stock "looking" GTI then your not driving well or he is in fact chipped and putting down a lot more power than you think. It is easy for them to get a ecu flash and make mucho power in stock trim. Are you sure it wasn't an R32?

VW R32's are Cows and to damn expensive plus they are so heavy.. a MS3 can walk any R32's ass. i hate those little cars..

 

[Ricktalife]

VW R32's are Cows and to damn expensive plus they are so heavy.. a MS3 can walk any R32's ass. i hate those little cars..

no s***? i heard they haul ass. those bitches are awd and stick to the road like bubblegum.

 

[DeadGeneration]

1. Play any grand theft auto series game
2. Work out
3. Buy a gun, or steal it if you're really hardcore
4. Jack his ride at the next stop light

 

[Ricktalife]

1. Play any grand theft auto series game
2. Work out
3. Buy a gun, or steal it if you're really hardcore
4. Jack his ride at the next stop light

off topic? lol

 

[DeadGeneration]

sorry (coffee)

 

[haze20]

right!!!!!!! at what boost? maybe the driver of the GTI was a dumbass...b/c even with those mod you arent breaking 200hp

STOCK: 200hp GTI>170hp MSP
w/Chipped: GTI 256hp and 303 TQ> msp 180 -/+
not a chance my friend..
http://www.goapr.com/VW/products/ecu_upgrade_mkvgti.html

At 8.5psi my car put down 195whp with just my Vibrant and a K&N filter. I fun dead even with my friends 02 WRX which puts down 240whp from a roll.

 

[MAZDA_SPEED]

Gta Ftw!!!!

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

no s***? i heard they haul ass. those bitches are awd and stick to the road like bubblegum.

That doesn't matter, they suck, too expensive and slow for the price, power and engine...

 

[slo03.5msp]

R32's are slow.(period) no other discussion. I know my car may be a factory freak but I was still walking stage 2 srt4's on three cylinders running 14lbs of boost tuned. It shouldn't take much to beat up on most cars the msp is a better platform than people give it credit for being. And as long as your not stupid and have supporting mods 12-14lbs of boost daily is not unreachable on the stock turbo.

 

[JDM Sam]

LOL, weaksauce.

 

[slo03.5msp]

I hope your not refering to me Sam?!?!?

 

[43975]

no s***? i heard they haul ass. those bitches are awd and stick to the road like bubblegum.

I was reading an article that did a side by side comparison of the GTI and it's R32 brother. The conclusion was it wasn't worth the hipe or the extra money! It was a tad faster and braked marginally shorter. But for the cost you could make more power and brake shorter with aftermarket parts and still have money left over. It was a very impressive article. I wanna say it was a car and driver mag, or something of that caliber.

as far as FMIC goes.
I have to say that after having my FMIC on for 2 weeks now. I couldn't be happier. My car pulls harder now then before and Lag...I have no clue what that is. I have a small chiller, maybe that has something to do with it.
The best part is heat soak no longer exists. I can tell my turbo is happier too. Before when I popped the hood after driving it was soo freak'n hot in there. Now you can actually tell the difference it's cooler.

 

[JDM Sam]

Weaksauce to the FMIC naysayers. The i/c core chills the pressurized air. When you compress air, it heats up. Most of you have the stock turbo and that is one of the most responsive turbos available. Any lag you think you have is from rich AFR and conservative timing maps on the stock ecu/pcm. If you want a responsive powerful tune you need a FMIC to keep the air charge temps down to fend off heat induced knock/detonation. The only main reason to go with a SMIC is the installation is easier.

It's not that hard to beat those cars mentioned with bolt-ons and 10 psi. 12 psi should take care of even the modified ones.

 

[kamon8404]

Well I have to say, if a bolt on msp at 10psi is pulling on an STI it will pull on an MS3.

Next, FMIC FTW. I have the turbolife kit (perrin replica), and I experienced zero lag. I reach full boost at 3000.

When my car was basically stock (catless mid-pipe and afc) I was pulling on an 1.8t with a chip boosting 18psi.

Now with a FMIC, 3" TBE, Steedspeed exhaust mani, GT28RS, EBC, AFC and 16lbs wheels, I'll definitely be willing to run next to an MS3 to see where I stand. I might not win but I imagine it will be close since I have driven an MS3 before. I can't wait to get my last bolt on.

 

[BadBandar]

Ive heard that vw are pretty quick but i havent seen it for myself. I raced a gti before and it wasnt much of a race and i was at stock boost. Just the other day i took a camaro (not sure if it was SS but it looked like it but my buddy was saying it was a z28) it was a good race but i pulled on third and it was over.

I love my msp. Now ill raise it to 9psi and see how it goes from there.

 

[hollar1211]

That's weird. I doubt I am pushing that much power (but who knows), and my MSP is faster than my Speed6. If a Speed6 runs a quicker 1/4 mile time than an MS3, then my MSP should be faster than an MS3.

i'm curious as to what mods you have, besides the 18" wheels. who was driving your speed 6? i'm assuming you raced both your cars side by side.

the ms3 and ms6 are a whole different animal than our 170 hp proteges. stock, the ms3 is 263hp and a crazy 280 torque. the speed 3 i drove was stock and made me hate my msp, and i have a custom msp smic, corksport exhaust, atp wastegate, motor mounts and 9 lbs of boost. you must have quite the build.

 

[magnumP5]

^^^ The MS6 is faster in the 1/4 miles because it has AWD that helps it launch better but it's also heavy as hell. I don't know exactly how heavy the MS6s are but I know MSPs are about 500 lbs lighter than MS3s. A 225-230 whp Protege should be able to give a stock MS3 a run for its money and as long as it isn't from a dig it should destroy a MS6.