Who wants dibs on the XEDE PnP System?

[voiceKoil]

BEGi threw this idea around but it more or less still amounts to the customer cutting wires to put in some connectors. it can be more or less hidden from dealer view but its still not true PnP so i know most people won't go for it for that reason alone. if a dealer were to look for the homemade PnP harness and find it, there could be a warranty concern. if you knew someone who was good with wiring and creative, it could be done. we've been given a timetable of two months until PnP is retail release ready, and the price should drop - significantly we hope - before that time as well.

I didnt mean making a Pnp on the existing wires from the car, I meant from the existing harnesses. Just like the xede would plug into each end of the ecu loop, thats how I would make it fit, if possible, instead of splicing wires and connecting it, make little pins that fit in the factory harness, basically a "ghetto" version of Pnp, I think I could do it lol. Its a little hard to explain but thats what I was thinking about doing. I consider myself to be a little crafty lol

and does it seem 2 months is the latest time it would take to be Pnp? Im not sure if you can really answer it?

 

[BuckDich]

Yar, I'm in for sure.

 

[boost_me]

Wow.... I just read all 3pages, picachu knows his s***!!!

Hey...when you guys get the PNP harness for the vishnu, I will be on it like flies on s***!!

I choose you picachu!! (Lol)

 

[Captain KRM P5]

haha thanks man

 

[maczter]

Lower price + PNP = Interested

 

[Habuzaki]

I'm In Like Flynn on this one, add another XEDE sold when its ready.

 

[MS6S2K]

I recommend everyone be patient and wait for Cobb., and see which one is better. Cobb should have a superior tuning system for this car, with many more features, and much better drivability, and I believe it will also be safer, although only time will tell that story. I understand the vendor will come on on and defend his product, and has every right to, but make your own decision, and don't be influenced by anything but straight up evidence FACTS, not opinions and stories. Don't sell out on a product until time has passed and there are several options.

 

[palerider]

.......and don't be influenced by anything but straight up evidence FACTS, not opinions and stories.

Fact.
Cobb is promising accessports for about 20 cars, when in FACT they have never released anything for anything but Subarus.

Fact.
Xede is available now, has proven gains, and reliability, as EVIDENCED by the lack of a single complaint on this board by a current user....... that Ive seen.

Fact.
Cobbs reflash will void a warranty if discovered. It CAN be detected. PNP interceptor systems should be the choice for those that value a warranty on their brand new cars, as it CANNOT be detected.

Opinion.
New to the Mazda scene, I find it hilarious that all you subaru guys stand around in a circle, jerking about Cobb. Im an exHonda guy, and that does not mean that if Hondata buys a MS3, that Im gonna start trashing anything thats been around for awhile because I used to have Kpro.

Fact.
This is a "dibs" thread on Xede. You threadjacked it.

Opinion.
Im not a Xede rep. But, Im sick of the vendors who seem to represent this product well, getting continually called out and then getting dared to respond. And on top of this, actually getting called out by people comparing Xede to a system like Cobbs, that may never even be ******* released.

Unbelievable.

 

[Equinox]

Fact: (sorta) I love my Xede 8D

 

[speed3shon]

i read on the cobb forums it cannot be detected if you "unmarry" it to take your car into the dealership.

Im waiting on something that is not wire in, and provides results. there is no such thing yet. i may be waiting a while....

 

[Boosted03MSP]

Good luck with Cobb ever making it. They have only made for Subys the last like 5-7 years. Everything has said coming soon for any other car on their site for awhile. I doubt it will get made. Small market, not alot of profit and too much cost to R&D it.

 

[Yoarashi]

Fact.
Cobb is promising accessports for about 20 cars, when in FACT they have never released anything for anything but Subarus.

Fact.
Xede is available now, has proven gains, and reliability, as EVIDENCED by the lack of a single complaint on this board by a current user....... that Ive seen.

Fact.
Cobbs reflash will void a warranty if discovered. It CAN be detected. PNP interceptor systems should be the choice for those that value a warranty on their brand new cars, as it CANNOT be detected.

Opinion.
New to the Mazda scene, I find it hilarious that all you subaru guys stand around in a circle, jerking about Cobb. Im an exHonda guy, and that does not mean that if Hondata buys a MS3, that Im gonna start trashing anything thats been around for awhile because I used to have Kpro.

Fact.
This is a "dibs" thread on Xede. You threadjacked it.

Opinion.
Im not a Xede rep. But, Im sick of the vendors who seem to represent this product well, getting continually called out and then getting dared to respond. And on top of this, actually getting called out by people comparing Xede to a system like Cobbs, that may never even be ******* released.

Unbelievable.

People need to stop treating the protege garage folks like they do. I had trouble with a part i bought from them and one of their mechanics called me back at 1030pm on a friday. Thats damn good service. Give them the respect they deserve.

Dibs on a pnp harness

 

[desperado-c]

People need to stop treating the protege garage folks like they do. I had trouble with a part i bought from them and one of their mechanics called me back at 1030pm on a friday. Thats damn good service. Give them the respect they deserve.

Dibs on a pnp harness

+1. These guys are sponsors and should be treated well as people supporting this community. If you want to rave about another vendor's product and compare it to the Xede, that's all well and good, but it should be done in the right spirit in the right thread. None of us is omniscient and everybody should work on the basis that we have opinions based on less than perfect knowledge.

 

[palerider]

i read on the cobb forums it cannot be detected if you "unmarry" it to take your car into the dealership.

Im waiting on something that is not wire in, and provides results. there is no such thing yet. i may be waiting a while....

My understanding from all that Ive read, is that the Cobb unit actually flashes the ecu on a Subaru. When you unmarry it, you do so by, reflashing it back to stock.

Ive heard NUMEROUS places that this flash IS detectable(Cobb forum not withstanding). Not detectable in the sense that dealerships will know WHAT was flashed, but that they will in FACT know that the ECU was altered at some place in time.

Interceptors are the only ECU mod that acts as a "bolt on" type of mod. Any reprogramming, or I guess in this case... wirecutting... would in all likelyhood void the warranty.

And also, Id like to also say that the ProtegeGarage group certainly seems like a great bunch of guys. I feel like our car is their top priority right now, and I plan on purchasing all my future mods, when possible, through their site. I think we need to support them as much as possible on our limited production vehicle.

 

[justhavnfun]

this "harness" that keeps being mentioned, is this a harness to connect the Xede via oem connectors? not liking the wire cutting! that would be a deal breaker for me for sure. what are the gains in hp, torque, and maybe even some dyno or track et's ? i don't mind shelling out a grand to make the wife's grocery getter faster but i want to know what improvements i'm getting for my money.

 

[Equinox]

this is just a dibs thread on the PnP. Perhaps you can search for the main XEDE thread.

 

[justhavnfun]

yeh i know how the thread STARTED but i seems every other thread is about if this product is worth buying compared to others. i think i'll pass untill i see more actual performance data. i think Exde is asking for problems expecting novice car tuners to splice wires to make this thing work. you don't have to be rocket scientist to splice wires but if you're splicing wires outside the cabin, the elements can quickly corrode a poorly insulated connections. just look up any major manufacture's TSB's and you'll find many electrical problems resulting from moisture (for some reason or another) getting into factory waterproof connectors. good luck, hope it works out but i'll wait till they use oem weatherproof connectors. i'd be willing to shell out more cash for oem connectors. for what it's worth to PnP.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

People need to stop treating the protege garage folks like they do. I had trouble with a part i bought from them and one of their mechanics called me back at 1030pm on a friday. Thats damn good service. Give them the respect they deserve.

thank you for the kind words. glad to know we made you happy

i read on the cobb forums it cannot be detected if you "unmarry" it to take your car into the dealership.

Im waiting on something that is not wire in, and provides results. there is no such thing yet. i may be waiting a while....

cobb's engineering department told me that regardless of if the system is married or unmarried, flashed Cobb or flashed back to Mazda, the dealer can see that the ECU was modified and by a system other an Mazda workstation. if the engine on your MS3/6 goes and Mazda NA asks the tech to scan the car for something like that, they will find it, and they will void your warranty. It will either be a master technician or a district rep. They value these engine's reputations highly and will work to make any failure appear as a customer's fault. i've worked for Mazda for a long time before doing this stuff and its not some BS, i've seen it happen on more than a few cars.

like i have always said, if and when the cobb system comes to light, i'll happily offer it along with whatever systems make promising results for these cars. my biggest complaint outside of PnP on XEDE is price and we're working to cut that down. WAY down. worst case scenario the price of XEDE stays up there, you still can't tune Cobb on your own without sinking another $200 into the package.

comparing the system feature by feature, XEDE does factually offer more capability than AccessPort. subjectively speaking, its ultimately going to come down to personal preference. i had a few STis come in for our meet and greet party last week and they told me that AccessPort and its AccessTuner software "sucked ass". again, thats opinions.

the focus of the thread is see if people really want PnP. the XEDE itself has been proven time and again on several cars, more than a few dyno sheets and several track times. if there is no interest i am not going to sink the capital into it.

 

[speed3shon]

i must be missing these track times and dyno sheets on the xede...

 

[justhavnfun]

quote "the dealer can see that the ECU was modified and by a system other an Mazda workstation. if the engine on your MS3/6 goes and Mazda NA asks the tech to scan the car for something like that, they will find it, and they will void your warranty." quote

and if you have the Xede system in your car, don't you think mazda will be inspecting key wires for any signs of splicing? every system out there for this car seems to be detectable by mazda. unless Xede makes the system as a harness so that if things go wrong you can unplug the unit and put everything back as it was. chevy and ford have had these harnesses via different aftermarket companies (bulldog, ect.) for years, why can't the same be done for this car?