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StuttersC said:
Just documneting what I have so far for legal purposes...

07-20-05: Take car in to find out why A/C blows warm. Tech says, "You are running 13 lbs. of boost you know." Service advisor (Michelle) says I need to replace my A/C condenser, and timing belt. Service advisor says I need to change my belt or my motor could be damaged if the belt breaks. Schedule appointment for 07-25-05. Car has no issues and runs fine. I never see 13 lbs. boost and rarely see 7. I don't get on it unless I'm getting on the highway or passing someone. And only then I do not see more than 7 lbs of boost, if that. Average 5 lbs.

07-25-05: Take car in to get it fixed. Told the car will be ready today. Service advisor called later on and told me car will not be ready until 07-26-05, also says they will change oil.

07-26-05: Service advisor calls and says car will be ready this afternoon. Go to pick up car, advisor messes up bill and have to wait for an hour. Tech says, the air tube from the MAF to turbo inlet broke, and he replaced with an intake tube from an S-10. Says the car is better and it will hold. Drive car home, take it easy so belt can work itself in.

07-27-05: P.M. driving to work. Pull out of garage into cloud of white smoke. Concerned, but don't see anything else. Attempt to get on boost, but nothing. White smoke starts intermittently, oil light comes on while sitting at stop light on level ground.

07-28-05: More white smoke driving home form work in the A.M. More white smoke inthe P.M. No boost, oil light flashes again. Notice boost controller tubing changed, and oil leaking form valve cover, as well as oil on fan shorud and other strange places. Clean up engine bay, leave message for service advisor.

07-29-05: Take car in in the A.M. Car produces white smoke really bad from 2200 rpm up to 3500 rpm regardless of gear or speed. Explain to service advisor what the problem is, she says "We never touched the valve cover so I don't know why that's leaking." Explain to her the process for changing the timing belt and state I paid for one. Service advisor states she will call in the P.M. and let me know its fixed.

I call in the P.M. twice. Told the oil seals in the turbo blew from too much oil pressure, states will not fix. I ask how that is possible since I was porducing white smoke. Advisor says the manager will call. I got o dealerhsip and speak to service manager "Ron" who says they have no idea what happened. Says tech is on vacation to 08-03-05. Manager says he knows my car runs 7-8 pounds of boost. Says he needs his tech to see where he was working to know what broke and how it broke. Says he has not done a compression check but will be fore the end of business and let me know what happens. Puts me in a rental car.

I call back at 1900 hours, talk to parts guy about getting something out of my car. Parts guy says he knows my car becuase he helped with a compression check before they closed. Gets my stuff and leaves it with the receptionist out front.

08-02-03: Call to see what happened with compression check because no calls from manager. Advisor says we will call when the tech comes in on 08-03-05.

08-03-05: Call in the P.M. to see what is going on. Manager says tech not in until 08-04-05. They will let me know what is going on at that time. Nothing said about compression. Says Mazda will tough to get to pay off on this as amanufacturing defect. Beginning to build case for them not to pay for it. Says they call in the A.M. on 08-04-05 with what is wrong.

Send email to Tom Martino (consumer advocate in Denver) asking for advice and direction to go if this goes bad. Begin lawyer search for possible law suite if the dealer refuses to fix it.

08-04-05: Dealership refused to fix it. Stated because the after market turbo is on there, its not their fault the motor broke. States they won't do a compression check unless I pay for it. The manager says "it's your baby" referring to the car, says its not their responsibilty that it broke. Manager says this is equivalent of a headlight breaking and that there is nothign they could do. They say the turbo oil seals are blown and it is leaking oil. But they say they can't fix it becuase they don't know how turbos work (so then how do they know the seals are blown?). They did not do the oil change, have to get that refunded at the dealership.

Tow car to Sill-Tehara Mazda to have the car looked at.

08-05-05: Sill-Tehrar says that I have low compression in the #3 and #4 cylinders and that it appears the turbo is blown. They say they can fix it, but will have to take it back to stock to do so. They say it will cost $2100 buck to pull the motor and nother $6000 to fix from there.

08-06-05: Tow car to Greeley on a U-Haul car trailer.

08-07-05: Begin search for new motor or parts to get car fixed. Start taking apart turbo intake piping and see oil in the air filter, MAF and short pipe up to turbo inlet. See that the tube from the mAF to the turbo inlet is different than the piece originally used. Also see that tubing to the NSN boost controller is changed from my installation. John Elway also left my plastic MP3 engine cover off the car, as well as one of the engine hooks. have to go back to get that, and some tech says he doesn't know why they would take that stuff off.

08-16-05:Motor is on the way, have gasket kit, etc. Call Mazda USA and file a complaint on the delaership.

Call BBB to file complaint, told I will be contacted by the dealer in 48 hours. Twenty minutes later get a call from dealer and speak to a lady who says this issue is over her head and will have to forward it to the general manager who is on Vacation until Monday, 08-22-05. Lady send email to manager and me with incorrect information. Reply with correct information.

Get call from another person apparently in service who asks why I called the BBB and tries to expalin what the tech did to fix my car. I shut her down by explaining my issues and why I called the BBB, says I will have to speak to the GM.

08-22-05: General Manager (Joe Curtin) calls today and askes what happened. I inform him about what's wrong and he says he needs to look into it. Asks how much the car is worth, I say $8,000. He asks what it will take to make things right, I tell him $4,000 to cover the cost of the new short block. He seems rather concerned that it'll cost that much and seems skeptical as to why I need a new motor. I explain to him that it would cost about the same to get the parts and have the motor rebuilt, and that I found a short block quickly instead of waiting for the parts. I also tell him it would cost about $6,500 in parts to have the dealer fix it, or at least $4,500 for the short block through them.

He says he needs to know the mileage on my car and says he will look into it (the situation) and call me back tomorrow. I call back tonight and leave a message with 66119 miles.

Looking at the paperwork from John Elway, I see that the in/out mileage is the same number, so on the visit on 07-20-05 mileage is 65593. On 07-26-05 the mileage is 65971 for the in/out. The mileage of the car at Sill-Tehrar is 66119, which is the current mileage (148).

John Elway does not keep accurate records of the in/out mileage.

The plot thickens...The manager seems rather indifferent and not very concerned.
 
StuttersC said:
Nope...And the GM said today they won't fix it...

Damn man, I'm real sorry to hear that. What is your next step?

Can you call around to the salvage yards and just look for an engine from a protege? Then have your turbo rebuilt? Would that do it? Might save some money that way.

I know a couple of people who own and run an engine shop not to far off of broadway, they might be able to give you the best deal on the work.

Or what about renting a cherry picker and pull the engine yourself, and I can lend a hand if needed.
 
dcbeggs said:
Damn man, I'm real sorry to hear that. What is your next step?

Can you call around to the salvage yards and just look for an engine from a protege? Then have your turbo rebuilt? Would that do it? Might save some money that way.

I know a couple of people who own and run an engine shop not to far off of broadway, they might be able to give you the best deal on the work.

Or what about renting a cherry picker and pull the engine yourself, and I can lend a hand if needed.

I appreciate the help. I was fortunatle and had money in savings and got stuff taken care of. The motor should be out, and will get put together on Friday and probably go back in over this weekend. I have family who a place I can work on it.

Next I try talking to AutoNation Corporate office and then sue.

Fomr what it looks like, the turbo is fine. The oil in the intake is most likely blow by from the popped motor.

The GM said he based his decision off of a couple of Honda mechanics who have dealt with turbos on non-Honda cars, an Acura and a Nissan who both said after-market turbos don't last more 15,000 miles.

Yeah, they know what they are talking about alright.
 
That is the smelliest bulls*** I have ever be presented! My turbo has lasted over 115,000 miles, no problem. See, that's why I fixed my own A/C condensor, and just paid to have someone fill it with freon for me. It's s*** like this that makes me not let ANYONE work on my car!
 
agreed. StuttersC, best of luck man, everything will turn out,

and wow, congratulations on playing this so cool!!!
 
wow, hope it works out ok.....good excuse to go to built internals now...

I would have to double my meds to not go totally Postal at the dealer.
My local Mazda dealer asked me to leave when I was shopping there to buy and wanted to know price and payments for a 3! un-freakin'-believable!
 
LinuxRacr said:
That is the smelliest bulls*** I have ever be presented! My turbo has lasted over 115,000 miles, no problem. See, that's why I fixed my own A/C condensor, and just paid to have someone fill it with freon for me. It's s*** like this that makes me not let ANYONE work on my car!

No doubt, the GM's research was lacking, big time.

I even told him my turbo system was basically the same as the MSP, and still said they don't last longer than 15,000 miles.

I have to admit though, I was starting to lose my temper some with the GM and I think I raised my voice alittle.

So, I'm not all that cool and collected.

We'll see what the corporate office has to say...
 
Dude, this thread needs to be posted around the world like that chick who had that SVT Cobra, and the tech went out and flogged it.
 
LinuxRacr said:
Dude, this thread needs to be posted around the world like that chick who had that SVT Cobra, and the tech went out and flogged it.

No doubt...
 
So were you boosting 13psi when you took it in or did they do something to make it hit 13? If you were already boosting 13psi, then I can see why it popped, but it still doesn't make it right. So why the hell did they drive the car and hit 13psi if they were just making sure the A/C worked? Those bastards drove the car hard, when the situation did not need it to be driven hard, then it damaged the motor so it is their fault.

Stick in there man, my wifes Hyundai lost it's clutch after 18k and the stealership wouldn't cover it EVEN THOUGH there was a TSB on the faulty clutch items. So it took me 10 months to finally get the check (got it this month) for the money we spent to get it fixed. I wrote numerous letters to Hyundai, the Consumer protection agency, a local news channel that did stories like this and finally the BBB. Out of all of them the BBB got er done!! I had a meating and a resolution within 2 weeks after that. So just keep on it and don't give up until it's done.

If you can, see if FM can give you something in writing saying that that setup should of lasted more then 15k, so maybe you can use that. But if you were boosting 13, then I don't know if you are going to have too much luck. MAN I hate ******* dealerships and assholes that **** your s*** up and blame it on you. Those bastards should pay for driving your car that hard for an A/C check!!!!!
 
I have never seen 13 bpounds of boost on my car. I have only seen six to seven.

The only times I got on the boost is when I am passing or getting on the highway, and then I'm not flooring it to see what I can do.

That's why I'm wondering how they saw 13 pounds of boost.
 
Um, let's see, the new motor is in, started first try no CEL...

Runs awesome. radiator and oil cooler in, things are tapped for my temp gauge which I just have to finish hooking up.

Corporate office said they won't fix or pay, so the paperwork is filed for small claims court.
 
Not much to bump....Everything is fixed right now, new clutch is workin', turbo is boostin' new motor is happy.

Bank account a little unhappy, but that's life.
 
TurfBurn said:
No suit or any luck with getting Mazda/Dealer to cough up on this one?

I thought about it more and more, and decided to back off the suit.

Mainly because if I lose, they can counter for legal costs and I have no desire to deal with that.

Although small claims court means no lawyers, it doesn't mean a lawyer won't be involved on their end.
 

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