Webrides: MS3 vs R32

[happy and angry]

I was answering his question you nimwit.

I wasn't talking that specific post, I was asking about the entire thread. What are you doing here? How did a discussion about comparing stock to non-stock vehicles being a dumb thing to do turn into you telling us about how a Mk5 GTI could be made as fast or faster than an MS3 by modding it? Seriously, man. My mind is blown by that little revelation. Money on mods? Performance increases? WOAAAAAAAH.

 

[Hyun]

souper
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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lol i mean comon, it's vw fanboy who got butt hurt and decide to register to defend his god car.
Man i will walk any stock gti with half throttle or give you 10 cars and still walk you with eyes closed hahahahahhahahahahahaha.

 

[souper]

it was about spending 10k more to beat the MS3. how much power would 10k get on a speed3?

and we are comparative prices with the gti so how much mony did they invest in the gti to get it .4 sec faster then the MS3

I was simply answering these questions. Then I responded to the comments that followed. Is that easy enough for you to understand? I'm sorry your mind is blown over something so simple.

 

[happy and angry]

You've not answered anything at all. You've speculated. "A rechip will make it faster than an MS3 because I said so. The cost of that 0.4 seconds around a track - $600 dollars."

I don't buy that for a second. Dragtimes has chipped GTIs with little other work still running 3/10ths slower than the MS3 in a drag, for one, and you've brought no evidence to the table to suggest the power improvement alone would translate to besting the MS3 on a circuit.

Someone asks how much money was invested into the GTI to get it 0.4 seconds faster than the MS3 around a track and your answer was a rechip that leaves the car still slower in a sprint than the MS3? Followed by a discussion about how 6 large in mods will let you walk a stock MS3?

What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[FrequentFlyer]

The MS3 is definitely a better buy and although Mazda's reliability has proven less than stellar lately, VW is even worse and the majority of their dealers/sales people are a nightmare to work with. At least the VW has a 4 year/50,000 mile warranty. A chipped Mk5 GTI with no other mods is still slower than an MS3. Not by a lot, but it is. I raced one when I had my '04 S2000, which was stock, and I pulled on it from 40-100 about 2 cars (the S2000 was about a 14.0 second @ 100mph car). The MS3 traps a bit higher than the S2000 also. The GTI's are 14.8-15.0 stock and a reflashed ECU with no other mods isn't going to bring it into the 13's, and besides, the MS3's are underrated in power. If you load a GTI up with options, it's at least $27k.

 

[souper]

You've not answered anything at all. You've speculated. "A rechip will make it faster than an MS3 because I said so. The cost of that 0.4 seconds around a track - $600 dollars."

I don't buy that for a second. Dragtimes has chipped GTIs with little other work still running 3/10ths slower than the MS3 in a drag, for one, and you've brought no evidence to the table to suggest the power improvement alone would translate to besting the MS3 on a circuit.

Someone asks how much money was invested into the GTI to get it 0.4 seconds faster than the MS3 around a track and your answer was a rechip that leaves the car still slower in a sprint than the MS3? Followed by a discussion about how 6 large in mods will let you walk a stock MS3?

What the hell is wrong with you?

I don't know how to explain it any other way. I never said a chipped GTI is faster than the MS3, just that it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg to equal the MS3 in power. All I did was explain what 10k would get you. Not once did I discredit the Mazda.

I never mentioned the word circuit and I had the mind set of street racing when I mentioned '10 cars'. Again, that was with a stage 3 GTI which was just an example of what a 30K GTI would get you. I think that's where I should of clarified. I couldn't care less about how well these cars perform on the track. But if that's really the only hang up you have here, then really (jerkit)

 

[happy and angry]

I think the hangup I have is that the movie this thread is about mentioned a modded GTI being 4/10ths faster around a track, someone said "4/10ths? How much did that 4/10ths cost?" and your response was about how cheap it is to make a GTI win in a drag race.

 

[Hyun]

and we are comparative prices with the gti so how much mony did they invest in the gti to get it .4 sec faster then the MS3

It will cost you $600 to chip a GTI. That's 260 HP and 300 lbs/tq on a car with a MSRP less than or equal to a MS3 GT.

A 30k GTI would put 10 cars on a stock MS3.

The GTI is a great car but inferior to the R32, even though the R32 isn't as quick. My old 1.8T GTI would walk a stock R32 with ease... yet I would of taken the R32 any day of the week. It is such a well defined car, it's kind of hard to compare it to a MS3. Class wise, the GTI would be a better comparison, but stock for stock it wouldn't stand a chance with performance.

I've been browsing this forum for the past couple weeks because it's very much possible that within 6-8 months (ugh!) i'll be purchasing a MS3. The decision has been pretty easy (I'm almost sure I don't want a used STI), but if the new R32 came 6-speed, I think i'd have a much harder decision to make (even though there's a 7k difference).

and also from your above post:
<i>I never said a chipped GTI is faster than the MS3</i>

I think your confused. Maybe you need to go back to vwvortex lol.
the end.

 

[2000VRsex]

a biased place to post something like this...the ms3 is a faster car but I rather take a .:R32....to start off...
1) it has more potential...AWD
2) V6 has much more you can do...turbo, etc etc...where the ms3 is already turbo.
3)the technology of it correct me if im wrong but I dont think the ms3 has any of these....electro brakes and steering so you dont need any fluid, dual clutch (hate these fake manuals but just like a real race car), well my mind is blank right now but u get the idea...

well anyways imma just stop right there cause im down sure its pointless to go on because someone is gonna argue otherwise...I have a mazda now but I love euros....stock for stock the ms3 is a faster car but I think a .:R32 is a better car...if I got anything wrong please correct...typing this up real quick

 

[souper]

and also from your above post:
<i>I never said a chipped GTI is faster than the MS3</i>

I think your confused. Maybe you need to go back to vwvortex lol.
the end.

I don't think you're capable of speaking proper English. I think you need to go back to third grade.

 

[Hyun]

I don't think you're capable of speaking proper English. I think you need to go back to third grade.

got nothing to say so your attacking my grammar on a car forum.

 

[SPEEDYHANS]

lmao omg that sux they had to bring a modded car to bit the ms3 lmad, i bet all the vw guy must be filling pretty bad that the spend 33k and still be slowwwwwww lmao

 

[souper]

got nothing to say so your attacking my grammar on a car forum.

You've made four posts so far and still haven't said anything. What's your point?

 

[Hyun]

my point has been proven. Reread above post

 

[souper]

You're a forum troll, that's really all I get out of your posts. (loser)

 

[Hyun]

whatever, i proved my point and made your contradiction evident in my prior post. Arguing with fanboy doesnt go anywhere. Bye bye.

 

[MAZDA_SPEED]

i bet that the mk5 R32 can get more WHP out of there blocks then mazda can get out of there blocks....plus its german..the best...

 

[MS3077]

i bet that the mk5 R32 can get more WHP out of there blocks then mazda can get out of there blocks....plus its german..the best...

Looks like the got some VW fanbois in here.

 

[2000VRsex]

GTI and a R32 are quite different...and im a euro guy but I own a mazda now, im not really biased but straight up the ms3 whooped the R32 stock for stock , but the R32 has way more potential, not saying just a chip or some bulls***, but if you look at it...like I said AWD and V6, your gonna be able to push more power without wheelspin limited you (even with a LSD), and the 3.2L V6 your already pushing what like 20hp less than the ms3 without a turbo, where the ms3 is at like I think 263hp and its already turbod soaking up 15.6psi....but im sure someone will respond saying some crap about a it has 2 more pistons...

 

[MS3077]

GTI and a R32 are quite different...and im a euro guy but I own a mazda now, im not really biased but straight up the ms3 whooped the R32 stock for stock , but the R32 has way more potential, not saying just a chip or some bulls***, but if you look at it...like I said AWD and V6, your gonna be able to push more power without wheelspin limited you (even with a LSD), and the 3.2L V6 your already pushing what like 20hp less than the ms3 without a turbo, where the ms3 is at like I think 263hp and its already turbod soaking up 15.6psi....but im sure someone will respond saying some crap about a it has 2 more pistons...

Sure but the R32 already starts out being something like 10k more than MS3. It's a stupid comparison, we can go on all day / night with "what if's"