War Has Never Solved Anything!!

Tricked-Out-Toy said:
never said it was a deterrant, just a way of dealing with @$$holes that cant play nice.

First of all, you have no problem typing "@$$hole" instead of asshole so I already think you are either extremly childish or you are trying to insult me by using some form of stupid baby-talk. I am an adult and I know you wanted to say asshole, so just ******* say it rather than hide behind your little letter game.

What you did say was that if someone "doesn't play nice" then we should kill them. In a system where you get more jail time from copying a video than you raping and killing someone (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050805/film_nm/piracy_dc) I don't want to hear about how putting someone to death is so great. In fact it has not effect on the crime rates (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=12&did=167)so what exactly are we accomplishing?

but if you have a better idea on solving the slavery, corruption, tyranny and oppression thats going on in the world please share it with me!! until then war is the best option. nuf said.

Well, seeing as there still is slavery, corruption, tyranny, AND opression all over the world then please share it how war solved these problems. 'Nuff said.
 
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anarchistchiken said:
Pluto owns you

HOW? he still hasnt answered my question? But let me get this straight Pluto you feel that if we never had war Hitler would have stopped, slaves in the US would have been free and Japan would have stopped attacking us?? Those are just a few instances war changed our way of life for the better. Yes there still are problems in the world but how can you fix them all!? im not saying war has or will fix every problem but you cant possibly say it hasnt dont anything good! Im still a firm believer in diplomacy but when all else fails you must take the kids that "cant play nice" out, this is for the good of the world, maybe then we can live in the peacfull society that you ignorantly believe we already live in.
 
Tricked-Out-Toy said:
HOW? he still hasnt answered my question? But let me get this straight Pluto you feel that if we never had war Hitler would have stopped, slaves in the US would have been free and Japan would have stopped attacking us??

The first World War created Hitler, sir. I am sure you know the course of events after the first World War so I can just spare you the details, I mean you're not just talking out of your ass right? The topic at hand was that war ended slavery, which is not true. The Civil War in this country, umong other things, took the slaves away from the south but not to free the blacks. Freeing the slaves, again, was a way to hurt the south's laybor system. Japan started attacking us because they were a part of the Axis forces which already made them our enemy and we were pressing on their oil reserves which forced them into a fight with us. Open any college-level American or World history book and you'd know this. Hell, ask someone who didn't study history in America and you get a much different view of how American handled the second World War. During WWII America was extremely isolationist, and while Europe was under years of fighting we stood back and say, "Nope not our problem." It was only when Japan felt threatened that they attacked us putting America into the war.


Those are just a few instances war changed our way of life for the better.


Made my life "better" by killing others, what a trade.

Yes there still are problems in the world but how can you fix them all!?

First I would like everyone to catch up on their history and get the AMERICA IS THE BEST, EVER!! bulls*** out of their system and actually look at things they way they happend. Here's a start, let's go to Africa and actually send them aid to fight AIDS rather than tell them "Teach abstance or you don't get condoms." How about we actually invade the countries that support the terrorists? How about we go to Korea where the real WMDs are and tell everyone to chill the **** out. I guess you know that Japan is rebuilding it's army now because they are worried some s*** is going to go down in the Pacific again meanwhile America is too busy taking cheap shots on civilians in a desert. UGH.

im not saying war has or will fix every problem but you cant possibly say it hasnt dont anything good!

Well, you sure seem to believe that it "fixed" slavery, corruption, tyranny and oppression. Yeah, war made a lot of old white men rich, and what's wrong with that??

Im still a firm believer in diplomacy but when all else fails you must take the kids that "cant play nice" out, this is for the good of the world, maybe then we can live in the peacfull society that you ignorantly believe we already live in.

Uh, I don't believe we live in a peacefull world (look, I said world not society because I understand there is a difference) because people like you live in it, on both "sides." Not playing nice is what puts those kids in power. Poverty, hopelessness, HUNGER, that's what puts those people in power. They offer a way out, this is what gave us Hitler, Stalin, etc. At the same time ignorance, and a lack of understanding is what puts countrys like America to war. No one cars about them TERRORIST SAND NIGGERS in Iraq because we don't live there and, hey, it's only on TV right?

9/11 NEVER FOREGT! Oh s***, we never caught Bin Laden yet, now did we? Think about it.
 
Tricked-Out-Toy said:
HOW? he still hasnt answered my question? But let me get this straight Pluto you feel that if we never had war Hitler would have stopped, slaves in the US would have been free and Japan would have stopped attacking us?? Those are just a few instances war changed our way of life for the better. Yes there still are problems in the world but how can you fix them all!? im not saying war has or will fix every problem but you cant possibly say it hasnt dont anything good! Im still a firm believer in diplomacy but when all else fails you must take the kids that "cant play nice" out, this is for the good of the world, maybe then we can live in the peacfull society that you ignorantly believe we already live in.

Hey japan wont stop attacking us lets nuke 2 non-military cities full of innocent people! What a noble ******* action. War has solved nothing everything we have fought to stop still exists just doesnt effect us directly anymore therefore like I said its out of sight and out of mind to those idiot protestors. Also we will never live in true peace and harmony we will blow ourselves off the earth before that happends. But what I do know is that war isnt going to help lead to peace on earth like you seem to think.
 
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Come on people, you could at least say war got America it's freedom from England. I can't argue with that...
 
Yeah, that solved one problem, but now America is arguably responsible, in large part, for the destruction of the environment, not to mention the invention of the atom bomb and the largest arms industry ever concieved of.

If England were still in charge we would have a perfectly Utopian society with no crime, disease, or suffering of any kind.....
 
MP5 is right this is pretty stupid. So far you havent given any other option. War has worked in the past you and I talking like this is proof of that. But heres a chance for you to change my mind Please just tell me how to solve this. Iran just started enriching uranium again after they threw out the latest UN agreement. They dont want any supervision and refuse to accept uranium from countries that are willing to share. The solution must not involve war. think of it as an SAT question
 
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War fixes a lot of things. With out it we wouldn't be speaking this made up English. And there would be allot fewer countries in the Middle East because Iran would have over taken them. War is like a gun; it should be a last resort. I like war, as the in the food chain only the strong survive. Some are for it and some are against it. You all have your opinions and non of them matter unless your in power.
 
pluto316 said:
Well, you sure seem to believe that it "fixed" slavery, corruption, tyranny and oppression. Yeah, war made a lot of old white men rich, and what's wrong with that??
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I suppose if it were the "young" and "black" getting rich then it would be ok.
Never forget that WWII also helped pull us out of the depression. And America is the best if you doubt that then go live in Sudan. We may kick someone's ass but we do go back through and rebuild them after we are done :) Heck, ask Japan or Germany who they would rather have over them after WWII us or the Russians? I'll bet you'd be hard pressed to get any other answer than a resounding AMERICA!
America, Far from perfect but still the best.
AMERICA, **** YEAH...(usa)
 
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anarchistchiken said:
If England were still in charge we would have a perfectly Utopian society with no crime, disease, or suffering of any kind.....
Riiiight....and how do you plan on backing up that spew of jibber-jabber.
 
Ask any small buisness owner over there who has it better us or them. The work hrs they keep are killing the small guy. That and their teeth suck!
 
yashooa said:
I suppose if it were the "young" and "black" getting rich then it would be ok.
Never forget that WWII also helped pull us out of the depression. And America is the best if you doubt that then go live in Sudan. We may kick someone's ass but we do go back through and rebuild them after we are done :) Heck, ask Japan or Germany who they would rather have over them after WWII us or the Russians? I'll bet you'd be hard pressed to get any other answer than a resounding AMERICA!
America, Far from perfect but still the best.
AMERICA, **** YEAH...(usa)

So it's okay that we are leveling Iraq and killing innocent people as long as our vice president's company keeps getting no bid contracts to rebuild it? This is not about who which country would rather have "over them" after a war, and you never could ever tell if the USSR would have done a better job in the rebuilding of Germany than we did cause it didn't happen. Let's play a game called "Ask people from other countries what they think of America" and we'll count how many people say they love us, and enjoy the American influence on their country. We can start with the Iraqi people, then we can go to Korea, then Columbia, etc. Let's also keep things pretty clear, America is no better or no worse than the rest of the western nations cause we are all pretty much the same at this point.

Lastly, the America **** Yeah! song was a song about the bad things in America. (cool)
 
War has nothing to do with achieving any real human ideals. Its sad to think that with all the philosophy, theology and tools of human intelect we can only still see the fist as the final resort, but worst still we give leverage to our careless leadership at the expense of other human life to wage war amidst dought and really because of fear.

The sole basis of a pre-emptive war is to cancel out your "enemy" (unprovoked) before they have the means to fight (talk about gay, thinking you are tough because you can gun down an unarmed man)
Worst still is when you put your word to the world about your well founded reasons for such a fiasco and turn out nothing in the end. And to those who say that: "Well it got Saddam out..." you make a good observation, and I wish all the times special units came within reasonable reach, and called Washington, it had been done then. Or better yet that that tyrant had not received help to fight Iran. We wouldn't be dealing with our bro's in body bags and innocent good people in Iraq living the hell they do today, with no more end in sight than under his dictatorship.
All the tyrants war has brought down are loose canons usually from a previous struggle.
In regards to the issue of rebuilding, its an obvious solution in the free market. Keeping money circulating is how America sustains itself, and all those places they "rebuild" still have to pay the bills. (so I come over smack you around and shove a lolly in your mouth and make you pay for it... way to go!)
Look guys, this is a touchy issue. All we have to realise is that the more we invest in conflict the more we live by it.
I admire every last soldier for what they do to protect their own, but my admiration is even greater to those who extend their service to save those who are the least kin to them.
And finally the only true appreciation you have for war and I tell you the truth, is when it happens in your backyard. No rescue helicopter coming for you at the rendez-vous, no food supplies at your camp, and no waiting to go home and see your wife and kids, no. Its looking at them right there as shells shower your roof and explosions rock you night away telling them in no certainty that its gonna be ok.
 
Guess I'll give my .02 . I'm all for helping to stop AIDS and giving aid to half the world, but I also think we need to take care of our own first.People need to be taught to quit having unprotected sex. It needs to be drilled in their head about the danger of AIDS. No amount of medicine we have now will cure these folks. Sure it may prolong their life, but it will NOT cure them. This sounds extreme, but if a person were found to have the virus and were tattooed with a small symbol, then imagine the slow down in the spread of the disease. I know there are a million reasons why this will never be done. All this medicine surely can't be as cheap as a bunch of missionaries with tattoo guns and literature. ( me personally, I think there should be a way to quarantine them all. I know it can't be done, I just wish it could be.)

The aid we send to countries that are in famine from drought I've got no answer for. I don't think we're a country that'll stand back and wach folks starve to death. I say let's share in the giving.

I think North Korea and Iran look at enriching Uranium as a way to get what they want from the international community. They're like kidnappers wanting a ransom. Give us this or we'll blow up this. Give us this and maybe we'll do this. Give us a bunch of this and we'll stop.(for a little while) Then they start all over again.

I'm not gonna touch the slavery issue. I'm just glad it doesn't exist here anymore.

As far as crime goes, I'm all about an eye for an eye. I wish we had public executions again. If you kill someone and there is undeniable proof, you get hanged, shot, beaten, whatever. If the public got to see a person die for a crime maybe it would make them think twice about doing something stupid. If you get caught stealing, you get to lose a finger. I know its extreme, but it might slow down crime. I think right now though we should trade in the electric chair for an electric couch or sectional!! That would cut down on all these morons on death row.

We will never have it perfect. Nobody will. That's all there is to it. Until the Earth can give everybody fertile land, we can rid the world of diseases, people can be at peace with all religions, we can have all the land we need so we don't take our neighbor's and start a war, and we can find an endless supply of energy without taking it from someone else we always have things to deal with. All we can do is make the best of it and try to make it better for people after us. Hell, by the time things are right with the world, the sun will probably start to fade out and this world will turn into a big ice ball.

You can flame me all you guys want, but they're just ramblings. Just remember that. It's not meant to start a fight or start a debate.
 
my penny

I'm gonna respond to your comment about people having enough their material needs. Greed is the ultimate culprit, to persue enrichment completely apathetic of the resulting misery.
And the law of an eye for an eye solves nothing because no matter the consequence a desperate person will do desperate things. Help them out of that and you will have helped yourself too.
As for public persecution, remember that if you show people how to kill, that too is inspiration, innosence is lost to them and they will see within their own ethic reason to kill.
Just think of where in the world this takes place and what reputation follows that group of people.
(clue) The president embraces their prince warmly
 
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