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Turbohoses SMIC Results
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Hey I was wondering I just went to your site and I saw that you are also making intakes. Any idea on when those will be ready to purchase. Also do you have a guesstimate of how much the smic will be? thanksTurbohoses said:It's not as simple as just drill and tap.
The end tank must be recessed at that point to allow for the fans mounting point to have a place to sit. Remember, the core is thicker.
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I havent looked into smic's much but since I live in FL where I am around hot temps all year long will the upgraded intercooler still heat soak? Also I heard that the price of the smic will be somewhere around $550 and the hardpipes are another $395. That comes out to more then the Hiboost fmic how come a smic is more expensive?
You would think that a SMIC and hard pipes would run about $700. Maybe a GB on both for $700? I don't really know what's going to happen but this is something I'm going to eventually get. Dealer wouldn't even notice. I bet the would just over look it. Hell these cars are going to be extinct and the mechanics won't know that it didn't come with an Aluminum Intercooler. Put me down for a maybe.
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wicked said:hay hoover there is one thing that I forgot to ask you,the car that was at the shop today,the one tested,was it flashed or not?
Per our first post.
The car that was tested is completely stock and only has our aluminum pipes.
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well the reason that the cost of this SMIC and pipes approach the starting price of say the hiboost FMIC is that the materials used and R&D spent for these two items are totally different. the SMIC is not an easy core to make and demand for this size and spec isn't high, so getting a core like this made probably costs extra. also, the quality of the piping is different. hiboost uses mild steel w/ chrome plating on the outside, while turbohoses is using full aluminum piping. aluminum is a good insulator, won't rust, and light.TheJohnny said:You would think that a SMIC and hard pipes would run about $700. Maybe a GB on both for $700? I don't really know what's going to happen but this is something I'm going to eventually get. Dealer wouldn't even notice. I bet the would just over look it. Hell these cars are going to be extinct and the mechanics won't know that it didn't come with an Aluminum Intercooler. Put me down for a maybe.
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jflo said:why is there such a big drop for the new SMIC between runs 3 and 4 ? does this intercooler heatsoak as well as the OEM SMIC, but maybe not as quick ?
Operating temperature was 15 dg. f. higher from second run and 42 dg. f. higher than our first run.
The intercooler heat soaks, but the engine temp. increases quite rapidly under the conditions our tests put it through.
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Even a FMIC will heat soak eventualy.
this isn't going to be a FMIC VS. SMIC thread.
they are for two different applications.a FMIC is for going high horse power,and extensive modifications.it's not designed for daily driving,or lower RPM's
The SMIC is more sutible for everday use,stop and go,and even autocross.
With SMIC,hard pies,intake,and exhaust on a MSP you will have a very good street car,that will still get decent times at the track,without investing a lot.
this isn't going to be a FMIC VS. SMIC thread.
they are for two different applications.a FMIC is for going high horse power,and extensive modifications.it's not designed for daily driving,or lower RPM's
The SMIC is more sutible for everday use,stop and go,and even autocross.
With SMIC,hard pies,intake,and exhaust on a MSP you will have a very good street car,that will still get decent times at the track,without investing a lot.
yeah I know,but a lot of the MSP's have come from the dealership flashed.Turbohoses said:Per are first post.
The car that was tested is completely stock and only has our aluminum pipes.
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all of the 2003.5 were supposed to,and the one you have is a 2003.5,but surprisingly most aren't(like mine)
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wicked said:yeah I know,but a lot of the MSP's have come from the dealership flashed.
all of the 2003.5 were supposed to,and the one you have is a 2003.5,but surprisingly most aren't(like mine)
As most people mentioned, the baseline we have is more/less consistant with others.
Because our tests were done on this vehicle, our baseline/test numbers are consistant throughout.
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yes, i understand that, but what i'm trying to understand is why there was a large drop, and thankfully hoover explained that.wicked said:Even a FMIC will heat soak eventualy.
this isn't going to be a FMIC VS. SMIC thread.
they are for two different applications.a FMIC is for going high horse power,and extensive modifications.it's not designed for daily driving,or lower RPM's
The SMIC is more sutible for everday use,stop and go,and even autocross.
With SMIC,hard pies,intake,and exhaust on a MSP you will have a very good street car,that will still get decent times at the track,without investing a lot.
something that i was reminded of about dyno testing was that in Dinan's shop (a top BMW tuner), he supplemented his dyno with a large fan because he noticed that the car he was tuning (a BMW M5) was making less horsepower on the dyno then it seemed to while running on the streets. it turned out that the car has some sensors that relay speed and approximates the cooling capacity of the engine, and compensates horsepower to decrease operating temps. but yeah, i doubt that the MSP is as sophisticated as the M5, but flowing a large amount of air in front of the car will probably affect results, and possibly help to show more accurate numbers for the OEM SMIC and Turbohoses SMIC
jflo said:yes, i understand that, but what i'm trying to understand is why there was a large drop, and thankfully hoover explained that.
something that i was reminded of about dyno testing was that in Dinan's shop (a top BMW tuner), he supplemented his dyno with a large fan because he noticed that the car he was tuning (a BMW M5) was making less horsepower on the dyno then it seemed to while running on the streets. it turned out that the car has some sensors that relay speed and approximates the cooling capacity of the engine, and compensates horsepower to decrease operating temps. but yeah, i doubt that the MSP is as sophisticated as the M5, but flowing a large amount of air in front of the car will probably affect results, and possibly help to show more accurate numbers for the OEM SMIC and Turbohoses SMIC
yeah I know what your gettin at but I know that he took that into account.
but I think he was trying to heat soak his to give it "extreme" conditions.you know like worst case senario.
The SMIC and "affordable" hardpipes will run between $700 and 750. Remember, Hiboost uses mild steel piping on their kit. There were reasons their kit was inexpensive. You also don't have to update your pipes to use the upgraded SMIC, which is the great thing for those who want to keep a more stock look and save some $$.TheJohnny said:You would think that a SMIC and hard pipes would run about $700. Maybe a GB on both for $700? I don't really know what's going to happen but this is something I'm going to eventually get. Dealer wouldn't even notice. I bet the would just over look it. Hell these cars are going to be extinct and the mechanics won't know that it didn't come with an Aluminum Intercooler. Put me down for a maybe.
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One of the hiboost hardpipes is fully aluminum (the intercooler to throttle body pipe.)jurgs01 said:The SMIC and "affordable" hardpipes will run between $700 and 750. Remember, Hiboost uses mild steel piping on their kit. There were reasons their kit was inexpensive. You also don't have to update your pipes to use the upgraded SMIC, which is the great thing for those who want to keep a more stock look and save some $$.
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Yes, the cold side is aluminum, the hot side is not.StreakinOraNgeX said:One of the hiboost hardpipes is fully aluminum (the intercooler to throttle body pipe.)
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Yeah whats that all aboutSpooled said:Detonaation in stock form? Sounds weird.
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