Turbo Magazine Protege5 Project car

I'm sure most of you know this already, but I figured I say it anyway just in case some of you didn't. The newest issue of Turbo Magazine ( The one with the bad ass SR20DET-powered 240sx on the cover) dyno tested both a high flow filter and cat back from HKS on the Pro5. I don't have the mag with me so I can't give you numbers right now, but I'll find out an post them up asap for all of you lazy bastards who don't want to search. Just thought I post it . :cool:
 
I remember reading about that...Turbo Mag was doing a project p5...what month is that issue?...I don't think it came in the mail yet.

Thanks
 
I just got the issue in the mail yesterday. (August 2002, Volume 18, Number 8 to be exact)

Here are the figures:

Dyno # 1: 123.9 HP and 126.6 Lb-Ft of torque (Stock! Surprising)

Dyno # 2: 125.8 HP and 127.5 Lb-Ft torque ( HKS Power Flow Filter)

Dyno # 3: 129.6 HP and 132.0 Lb-Ft of torque (HKS Hi-Power Ehaust and HKS filter)

Enjoy.
 
Yeah didn't come in yet...should be any day now...wow, those are surprising numbers. :eek:

A note of caution I remember reading on a MR2 site that they found the HKS Super flow filter did not do a good job of filtering out foreign particles (dirt/dust)...even to the point of bearing damage...I'll try and find the site again.

I don't know if anyone has experienced any problems with HKS filters...is the Power Flow a new version of the Super flow? Go K&N.

Anyway...I can't wait to checkout the article.
 
Might sound like a dumb question but was that P5 a stick or auto....around me its REALLY hard to find a P5 thats a 5 speed.

Pe@ce
 
WHAT??? 130hp @ the wheels???:confused:

I sure hope those numbers came from an engine dyno not a chassy dyno.

How on earth do you get 130hp at the wheels on a stock P5 when it's rated 130hp at the crank??:confused:

That has to be a misprint.
 
Bumble G said:
WHAT??? 130hp @ the wheels???:confused:

I sure hope those numbers came from an engine dyno not a chassy dyno.

How on earth do you get 130hp at the wheels on a stock P5 when it's rated 130hp at the crank??:confused:

That has to be a misprint.

Well actually the last dyno is 129.6 and is with both the exhaust and the filter...however the first figure stock with 123.9 HP still seems pretty darn suspicious...only 6.1 HP lost from the crank to the wheels....that'd certainly be nice but seems a little unrealistic...unless like said it's some kind of different dyno than normal.
 
There is no way that is possible. The MP3 has 10 more crank hp and it only gets around 115hp to the wheels. Those numbers are inflated. I'd say subtract at least 10hp.
 
how about this: ignore the actual numbers, but notice the gains. roughly 6 hp and 6 ft-lbs from those mods. not really that much, you think?
 
This car isn't going to see big gains in the NA arena until you spend some serious money and to some seroius work to it. Shaved head, High Comp. Pistons, custom cams(not j-spec crap), stand alone ECU, etc. Your best bet is to save your money and stop wasting it on mods that arent going to get you much. Go get a CAI - $225, cat-back exhaust - $400, J-spec cams - $300, power pullies - $250, coilovers - $400. Total is around $1500. By now you could have had a turbo system almost paid for. Here is a word of advice, if you are looking for just a good sounding weak car, gor with these mods, if you want real power, start saving for a turbo.
 
somebody dynoed a stock P5 a while back and posted the charts...it topped off around 100hp to the wheels and a little more for torque which is right around what i would expect from our car...
 
Good Points guys...I'll take a closer look at the article when it comes in...Big_ben I agree somewhat with what you say but I'm sure many p5 owners out there don't want to invest thousands of dollars nor have the proper resources to put together a successful turbo project. You either spend several hundred on bolt-ons and improve performance by a small factor or spend thousands upon thousands on a turbo system...big power...even a medium power boost is never cheap...you have parts, labor, fabrication, tuning, factor possible problems, upgrades = $$$$$.

How much is Spoolin in for? To top it all off were still dealing with a NA motor...so if you want more power, then your talking upgrading to forged internals. Thats the price to pay for hp...it seems no real middle ground exists...I don't think 1500 on some bolt-ons including suspension is a bad thing...seems like a nice setup...well in the end its how much do you want to spend, how fast you want to go and how well you want to handle...the stock p5 is a great car.

If your thinking between all motor and turbogo turboI believe all motor costs will be similar to a turbo setup yet produce less hp/tq.

Wow...long post this time...personally I'm into speed (mph+1/4 mile) but the major factor in that is large amounts of hp/tq...so I better start saving up.

Im super interested to see how your turbo project turns out Big_ben hope you include total cost...wish you the best of luck.
 
The last time I checked (same day as my last post) the turbo website didn't update to the newest issue yet. If you guys don't get the issue soon I'll just scan the pages and put them in my photo album for you guys to see. Man o man the dyno charts in the mag are tiny! I'll have to do a very detailed scan.
As for the baseline figures in the first dyno...........I wish!! The gains do look realistic though. I'll check back in soon. Take it easy guys. :cool:
 
I also agree somewhat with Bigben, especially about the cams, but done right the N/A route can produce good gains for much less than a turbo install. A mild 8 psi bolt on turbo system may produce better gains with less tuning, but with properly designed cams, flow work and a fully programmable ECU an N/A engine can beat a bolt on turbo in price and come very close in performance. For example, as I recall the AWR WC Protg was making 200+ hp @ 8000 rpm. The published specs for that motor seem to indicate its all in the ECU, cams and head, as would be expected.

There are a few things holding me back from tearing in. One is the ECU, and I hope AEM solves that problem soon. I like their ECU. Next is the lack of knowledge on the lower end rev capability. Mainly, if stock rod angles and strength can support 8000 rpm reliably. It appears that the pistons can support the velocity necessary with stock stroke length. And last is an application specific header that can handle the necessary hi rpm flow. Adjustable cam pulleys would be nice, but if need be I can fab those myself, dual pickups and all.

If and when we can get over these hurdles, the custom cams, head work and tuning will be a snap. The cost would surely be less than a custom turbo install, and not result in any added weight either. The only draw back I see is the sacrifice of low end response that would be necessary to raise the torque curve. I dont care to lug around at 2000 rpm anyway.

Im not trying to put down a turbo install, theres nothing wrong with doing that. I just like the simplicity of N/A and would prefer to go that route. I just wanted to point out that N/A is a viable option, and one that I think would be more streetable and reliable. There is no debating the fact that a full blown high boost turbo would blow doors on N/A. I just think that is a major engineering project that would really cost some bills. It would be a great thing, but if I had that kind of money I probably wouldnt be driving a Protg in the first place.

So far Ive concentrated on the suspension, and that $3000 dollars has really paid off. Next target is to reduced the unsprung weight, and damn those SSR wheels and brake kit are going to hit the wallet hard. But I consider them good performance investments. What I lack in acceleration I make up for in cornering.
 
The published specs for that motor seem to indicate its all in the ECU, cams and head, as would be expected.

I read somewhere that the block of the SCCA touring MP3 was made from cast aliminum. That would be one of the biggest advantages. Hardly no weight compaired to the normal protege block. I don't want anyone to think I'm putting down NA either. I give lots of respect to someone who can pull the same hp out of an NA motor as a boosted motor. But unless you have the machanical ability and available tools, it's going to get very expensive, very fast.
 
haha I'm drunk when I'm posting this, but hey, when you say Turbo magazine do you mean, "Turbo & High performance" magazine? Because I have the latest issues of that magazine and I see no such article of the dyno of my protege5 with any intake or exhaust of therefore mention of the car. I can't find it anywhere.
 

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