True 3" MSP DP

[CitizenPro]

I am sorry...but i know how much piping and flanges cost and even to have flanges laser cut...and that is NOT anywhere near a pipe that is worth any more than $500....at that price it would be highway robbery...I know the intial fab time is what hurts the most but after it is made and a jig is made...that would be a relatively easy piece to make now that I see it.If that is made from steel as well...It shouldn't be that high...hell only stainless would raise the price signifigantly and even then $500 would be a stretch...Just my oipinion...definately NOT A FLAME....

well said.

And 505zoom.......seriously, look at the pics and tell me thats worth $700+? I understand the first piece is going to be b**** to make......but come on, its not going to take him that long each damn time......and thats IF he produces them.

MAM makes good products, so we're not flaming him or you......

 

[505zoom]

first of all, nice looking piece.
What benefits are there to a snigle 3" compared to the split pipes of a GHL?
....

The split design for a internal WG is a gimmick IMHO. If you are running an external WG, then running the dump tube downstream is cool, but on a internal WG it just does nothing. A true 3" pipe starting at the turbine outlet is better for us internal WG guys. Again, this is MY opinion so take it as you will.

 

[ForceFed]

3 bend sections, a flex section, CNC cut T-2 series flange, 2 3 bolt CNC cut flanges (or a V-band)... DO THE MATH.

Ugghhh..I didnt see a flex section...If you are talking about making a pipe that runs all the way through to the Cat back section...Then the $500 would be somewhat reasonable but definately no more than that.

 

[CasopoliS]

I should have just left it as a one of a kind piece for myself.

you should do that.

I think people are saying nobody would buy it because the price is too high. They are not saying it is not worth that price. After you explain how those pipes are made (I did not realize it was that in-depth), it makes sense it is really expensive. Man-hours are very expensive... materials are only part of it. My guy charges $65 / hour.
Anyway, people are just cheap and will buy a part that is cheaper to make and cheaper to sell. Who knows what the final price would be on this.... but who cares because you will be one in few rockin this part.

 

[jurgs01]

Looks nice Rich. I would heat wrap that part where it comes close to the A/C just in case.

 

[505zoom]

well said.

And 505zoom.......seriously, look at the pics and tell me thats worth $700+? I understand the first piece is going to be b**** to make......but come on, its not going to take him that long each damn time......and thats IF he produces them.

MAM makes good products, so we're not flaming him or you......

I should have figured that it wouldn't have been worth it to you guys and not even pushed for a production version. Yes, even looking at the pics of the mock up, I think it is worth however much Beau wants to charge for it. Nobody else makes a TRUE 3" to begin with, and with the cost of materials being so high, I think it is worth every penny. You guys seriously have NO idea how much time it takes to oval the pipe with the radius on that first bend being so tight, and how long it takes to properly make it clear the compressor. Even if there was a jig, I bet it would still take close to 8 hours to make one. Go pay a shop to do that, and you will be paying them probably about 65 bucks an hour for custom work. Add in the cost of the materials, and yea.

 

[CasopoliS]

if you are spending the money, just get that s*** coated as well....

 

[505zoom]

Looks nice Rich. I would heat wrap that part where it comes close to the A/C just in case.

The entire thing is going to be wrapped since I can't wait for jethot to coat it for me... We modified my midpipe, so I can't just hook the old one back up anymore.

 

[CitizenPro]

^ yeah, i bet if you dont wrap it your AC will go out in time due to the heat.

 

[505zoom]

Ugghhh..I didnt see a flex section....

It wasn't on the pipe yet when I took the pics. But no, it would not go all the way back to the cat section... if beau made it, it would end right before the first cat on the stock setup and would require an exhaust shop to weld the second flange to the midpipe or weld in the V-band.

 

[tekkie]

I want one oh wait I already have one

 

[Dexter]

make it yourself for $500 then and shut the **** up.

dickheads.

 

[505zoom]

Don't worry about it Dex, the typical MSP attitude is shining through yet again here... someone makes something, and then all of the sudden everyone is an expert and tells the vendor how much it SHOULD cost. If you don't like it or don't like the price, DON'T BUY IT... plain and simple. But don't thrash everyone's efforts and continue to kill off every little bit of the small aftermarket we have for our car. I wouldn't be surprised if we have NO vendors left at all here very soon.

 

[jurgs01]

make it yourself for $500 then and shut the **** up.

dickheads.

(laugh) Gotta love Dexter quotes.

 

[xfaradx]

Oh and I also got my Espelir springs and Illumina struts in

Pics................now

 

[low_psi]

^ yeah, i bet if you dont wrap it your AC will go out in time due to the heat.

don't say that mang, my dp just barely touches the A/C compressor bracket...

 

[CitizenPro]

^ im serious bro......give it a year.


.....remember your in Texas. A/C is a must!!

 

[msp35]

I wasn't trying to bash MAM or beau on the price. I was just curious why it cost so much. Now that you broke down the man hrs it make much more sense. The pictures just didn't really tell us all that, or atleast noone looked close enough. It will be a nice piece whether produced or not. I also think the mani is priced a bit high, but will that stop me from buying it, prolly not, cuz it's definately worth it. Just as this piece is, I just didn't realize how much "fabrication" went into it.

 

[MsP_DeViL]

Jeez guys... I said IF Beau made this piece it would be that high... and judging by everyone's comments in this thread, I won't be surprised at all if he just says screw it and doesn't even make a jig after he reads this thread. Cost of SS is very high... those bends cost more than 65 dollars A PIECE!!! 3 bend sections, a flex section, CNC cut T-2 series flange, 2 3 bolt CNC cut flanges (or a V-band)... DO THE MATH. Even if a jig was made it would still take several hours to make one properly with the SUPER tight clearances. Ovaling out the pipe so it fits in the flange also takes quite a bit of time, as does beating down the backside properly so the pipe can clear the A/C compressor (not to mention that he does it so the metal doesn't get stretched and weakened).

This is the last time I will even address any posts in here that are complaining about the ESTIMATED price IF these end up making it to the market. This started out as a one off piece for me only, and I thought I would try to get Beau to make them for you guys as well.... thanks for shooting down my efforts... I should have just left it as a one of a kind piece for myself.

Man nice try, no one will ever see it from the side of the laborer, They see the 1 side, how it effects there pocket. not making these parts. I know how much time this takes and all the effort , I will say this tho, I would buy one (but I am learning to make them now at my shop/ school) how ever there has to be a grey area where the shop meets the buyers in the middle ( or no money lol) Beau is a stand up guy who has to eat just like all of us. Expensive toys is what brought us all on here right? Let Beau know that I will order one up if I cant do it my self after a few trys

 

[505zoom]

Man nice try, no one will ever see it from the side of the laborer, They see the 1 side, how it effects there pocket. not making these parts. I know how much time this takes and all the effort , I will say this tho, I would buy one (but I am learning to make them now at my shop/ school) how ever there has to be a grey area where the shop meets the buyers in the middle ( or no money lol) Beau is a stand up guy who has to eat just like all of us. Expensive toys is what brought us all on here right? Let Beau know that I will order one up if I cant do it my self after a few trys

Thanks for the well worded stand up reply.

I understand that it is a lot of money and that not everyone is just going to run out and buy one... but I also understand the work that is going into this, and it is not just the mocking phase that is going to take a lot of time. There is already close to 3 hours JUST in notching out the pipe for the studs to clear. Remember folks, this is a 3" pipe that is being ovaled out to fit on a T-2 flange. If the pipe was just set up there, it would overhang off of the top and bottom edges of the flange, and then there would be a big gap on the left and right sides. The pipe has to be ovaled to start, and that is a problem in itself because of the way the pipe is bent and cut... you can't just set it in a vice and tighten it down because there is literally nowhere to grab with the way the the bend is cut... the vice will just pop the pipe right out. Then you have the notching that I already explained, welding up the flanges and seams, cutting the bends properly, the flex joint (55 bucks for a nice double wall), CNC cut flanges, O2 bung, ceramic coating (which WOULD come standard on the pipe if it was made), THEN throw in the mark up for the dealers, and we HAVE to pay Beau at least SOMETHING for doing this... and I really don't see the big surprise here.

Good stuff costs money.

If you don't want to pay for it and would rather get something cheaper, then there are cheaper options out there for you. Complaining about the price of this gets all of us NOWHERE. If you think that paying for the labor that goes into this is unreasonable, then Beau would be more than happy to hire you to come work for him at no pay so everyone can benefit by getting cheaper parts. He has to pay his employees just like everyone else.