Trouble with Perrin SRI install

[rocketspeed]

Car is stalling now that I've installed the Perrin SRI. I've spent the past 3 hours checking and re-checking every single clamp, routing of everything and so forth. I've triple checked the connection to the turbo thinking that was the most likely cause.

I also can't get the intake tube to not contact the fan shroud no matter what I do.

I was dumb enough to try this install after work today, so I'll be calling in sick tomorrow not being able to get to work and expect to end up putting my AEM back on unless I can figure this out.

 

[Heathen23]

Car is stalling now that I've installed the Perrin SRI. I've spent the past 3 hours checking and re-checking every single clamp, routing of everything and so forth. I've triple checked the connection to the turbo thinking that was the most likely cause.

I also can't get the intake tube to not contact the fan shroud no matter what I do.

I was dumb enough to try this install after work today, so I'll be calling in sick tomorrow not being able to get to work and expect to end up putting my AEM back on unless I can figure this out.

Sounds obvious, so you probably have done it, but have you disconnected the battery?

Can't you put the aem back on in about 30 minutes to get yourself to work? Once you have done it once it's pretty easy.

 

[mspeed101]

Yea I dont know whats up with the intake. I have the same problems with mine. Im gonna talk to Perrins technicians tommorow and I will let you know what they say about it. But I keep having stalling issues for some reason. Hopefully this will be solved tommorow

 

[Matthew]

if you got pics maybe we can help

 

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

the bypass fitting is too close to the maf probably. we had the same problem with the injen intake. the air coming into the intake from the bypass causes turbulance in the maf sensor body, thus messing up the readings and telling the pcm that there is NO air going into the engine and you get NO fuel, thus NO engine revolutions, and as a result NO forward movement, or ANY movement at all. lol. slight possibility, not saying that this is the answer just a theory.

 

[Dr.Sound]

^ u beat me to it.

i'm sure the MAF is too close to the recirc. fitting.
post a pic of the intake.

recirc nipple should be about 10 inches away from the MAF.

u stall when u rev up and let go of the gas, right?

 

[jrodhotrod]

I know this sounds like a "DUH" question, but is your BPV going in the right direction? Some folks in the past have posted with similar problems and it turns out they had installed their BPV backwards. The arrow on the valve should be pointing towards the perrin intake so air is going from the TB pipe to the SRI.

 

[122 Vega]

I told them about the problems that Injen had with the first design and stalling 13 months ago when I was at thier shop. They were looking at my Injen to see how it was routed and designed.

Britt

 

[BOOSTR]

My car has never stalled once, the INJEN has been on for over 28,000 miles.

 

[rocketspeed]

Yep, I disconnected the battery for the install, re-connected after.

Yep, I've checked the direction of both the MAF and BPV

Here are pics. If the BPV nipple needs to be away from the MAF, then this thing is f-ed, becuase its about an inch from it:

 

[MSPinVA]

THis is a really obvious question, but did you reconnect your MAF wires? I didnt do that with my injen the first time (i was in a hurry) and it kept stalling everytime I started the car, and I got a CEL. Plugged it in, no problems since.

 

[rocketspeed]

THis is a really obvious question, but did you reconnect your MAF wires? I didnt do that with my injen the first time (i was in a hurry) and it kept stalling everytime I started the car, and I got a CEL. Plugged it in, no problems since.

Yep, MAF wires are connected.

I spent another hour or so this AM quadruple checking absolutely everything. Car idled fine and drove fine, but anytime you bring the RPM's up much and let off the throttle, the car stalls.

Got PO'ed (pissed) , so I put my AEM back on, car runs perfectly again.(scratch)

I have to email Perrin and see what's the deal.

 

[PERRIN_JOHN]

Hey guys, sounds like we have a dilemma here. I have found two forums where members have encountered the same problem so I will post copies of this passage in each.

I discussed this issue with our technicians this morning. I informed them of the drivability issue that has been raised on the forum boards. Our in house test vehicles have not ever had any sort of idle or stalling problems. Today our technicians will take time to try to replicate the problems described here. I would encourage every one who has had a problem to call our technical staff, who can help you with this problem.
I will gladly post the results of our testing later today for all the members to see.

Obviously there are multiple people experiencing the same problem. We will work hard to find an answer and get everyone taken care of.
I must say, I was greatly encouraged by the number of members who were willing to remove their existing intake systems to install a PERRIN intake system.

I hope that we can continue to earn your patronage.

Yep, MAF wires are connected.

I spent another hour or so this AM quadruple checking absolutely everything. Car idled fine and drove fine, but anytime you bring the RPM's up much and let off the throttle, the car stalls.

Got PO'ed (pissed) , so I put my AEM back on, car runs perfectly again.(scratch)

I have to email Perrin and see what's the deal.

Rocket speed....
I have of course mentioned this post to our technical staff and they had no record of your email. Please either resend it to Tech@perrinperformance.com or better yet give us a call. Our technicians would prefer to speak directly to you.
1.503.643.4677

Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[Dr.Sound]

Hey guys, sounds like we have a dilemma here. I have found two forums where members have encountered the same problem so I will post copies of this passage in each.

I discussed this issue with our technicians this morning. I informed them of the drivability issue that has been raised on the forum boards. Our in house test vehicles have not ever had any sort of idle or stalling problems. Today our technicians will take time to try to replicate the problems described here. I would encourage every one who has had a problem to call our technical staff, who can help you with this problem.
I will gladly post the results of our testing later today for all the members to see.

Obviously there are multiple people experiencing the same problem. We will work hard to find an answer and get everyone taken care of.
I must say, I was greatly encouraged by the number of members who were willing to remove their existing intake systems to install a PERRIN intake system.

I hope that we can continue to earn your patronage.



Rocket speed....
I have of course mentioned this post to our technical staff and they had no record of your email. Please either resend it to Tech@perrinperformance.com or better yet give us a call. Our technicians would prefer to speak directly to you.
1.503.643.4677

Sorry for the inconvenience.

try relocating the BPV nipple on the intake farther from the MAF.
i fixed a prototype injen by doing just that.

as some of u remember, first release of injen intakes had the same problem - stalling after one revs up and lets go of gas.
the nipple of the recirc. fitting was only 4 inches away from the MAF.

anyone got better pics of SRI?
i cant tell anything from the ones rocket speed posted.

 

[griswold]

Tracking. About to buy this kit. Just wanna stay in the loop on the fix.

 

[rocketspeed]

Hey guys, sounds like we have a dilemma here. I have found two forums where members have encountered the same problem so I will post copies of this passage in each.

I discussed this issue with our technicians this morning. I informed them of the drivability issue that has been raised on the forum boards. Our in house test vehicles have not ever had any sort of idle or stalling problems. Today our technicians will take time to try to replicate the problems described here. I would encourage every one who has had a problem to call our technical staff, who can help you with this problem.
I will gladly post the results of our testing later today for all the members to see.

Obviously there are multiple people experiencing the same problem. We will work hard to find an answer and get everyone taken care of.
I must say, I was greatly encouraged by the number of members who were willing to remove their existing intake systems to install a PERRIN intake system.

I hope that we can continue to earn your patronage.



Rocket speed....
I have of course mentioned this post to our technical staff and they had no record of your email. Please either resend it to Tech@perrinperformance.com or better yet give us a call. Our technicians would prefer to speak directly to you.
1.503.643.4677

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Hi guys- I hadn't gotten around to emailing you at Perrin yet, but I should be able to tonight and maybe I can call tomorrow.

I think Dr. Sound is correct, the nipple for the BPV is about 2 inches from the MAF. Here's a much better pic now that its off the car:



Are any of your test vehicles otherwise stock, or do they have other mods like hardpipes and FMIC's? I'd expect they do? That could explain why you haven't seen it.

I hope this can be fixed, I'd really like to rock the Perrin vs. the AEM. The AEM makes funny noises sometimes and I don't like having the filter in the wheel well in winter.

 

[PERRIN_JOHN]

Problem discovered!

These unfortunate parts have been assembled incorrectly. Our mistake.
Our warehouse staff thought that the part was assembled in a different manner.
Let me explain further..

The silicone body of the intake system comes with two preinstalled fiberglass reinforced nipples. The larger of the two nipples was installed incorrectly on all intakes, which were shipped out.
Every silicone product, assembled here in the building, uses plastic nipples or adaptors pressed from the outside in. This particular silicone piece uses a nipple which is pressed from the inside out.

The problem here was based on BOV turbulence. (as speculated) Because one of the nipples was installed incorrectly it blew turbulent air right at the MAF sensor.
__________

Of course our test vehicle turned over and drove just fine this morning. During testing our technicians were mystified. They incorrectly assumed that the parts forum members were having troubles with were in perfect working order, which would rule out the possibility turbulent air blowing against the MAF sensor.
They spent the rest of the day trying to replicate the situation until one of our shipping employees pointed out that the intakes he had put together were assembled differently.
After reassembling our intake system in a similar fashion as the intakes that went out..what do you know.the car doesnt run.

Yeaahhh problem found.(cool)

LucklyThis is an easy fix. If everyone who is having a problem would like to give our technical department a call tomorrow, we will walk you through the reinstallation of the plastic nipple. We will have you up and running in a matter of minutes.

All of the forum members input was wonderful. You are all pretty good troubleshooters.


On a separate note
I see some people commenting on the design of our intake..

The basis of our design is to make the intake as short as possible to feed the turbo fresh air as quickly as possible. Other intake systems are forced to extend their intake piping to separate the BOV recirculation bung away form the MAF sensor so air turbulence cannot affect MAF readings. The longer your intake system is.the less efficient it becomes.

The PERRIN intake system features a piece inside the intake system to direct the BOV recirculated air away from the MAF sensor. Allowing the intake body to be as short as possible.

If I have not explained the issue enough please let me know..
Also we have a help line available to customers who experience these problems during installation. Please do not hesitate to call if you have any questions..and please all of you who have had an problem with your PERRIN intakeGive us a call. Lets get you on the road and enjoying your new intakes

1.503.643.4677
Tech@perrinperformance.com


Cheers (drinks)

 

[TX Speed Demon]

So what you are saying is the small "L" shaped black plastic piece goes on the inside of the intake and faces down toward the turbo? Just making sure since mine came completly unassembled.

I assume this would work since it would direct the air down. Is there any way to make sure this piece never gets sucked into the pipe and into the turbo?

I hope this works, I was stalling with my greddy bov venting and recirculating, both stalls had an identicle feel so I didn't think this was the problem (in my particular instance). I'll change it around tomorrow and hope for the best.

 

[rocketspeed]

I was thinking of the same thing- what happens if that elbow comes loose and winds up in the turbo- bad things, man!

I might super-glue mine in, I think.

Mine also came totally unassembled and minus hose clamps, silicone breather hose (which perrin sent) and wire ties. I got the hose clamps and wire ties at the hardware store.

Intake is to be re-installed tomorrow, with report to follow.

 

[rocketspeed]

An aside, Perrin was very helpful with email today and on the phone as well. Kudos to them for strong customer support.