Tips for boosted MSP owners

[yashooa]

yeah the msp is not made for the track, anyone who uses it for that reason is a moron and should be burned at the stake!!!

Well that depends on what kind of track it is
AUTOX is a fine home for the MSP.

 

[yashooa]

Whoah guys, hold the phone. Where all the hostility from ? You seem to realize that alot of the questions being asked, are from new members, who are new to FI. I personally do not want to see them lose a motor, because they get half assed info, or see what someone else, who has knowledge, tuning ability, and try to emulate it, and lose the engine.

Also, In light of the ammount of motors that have popped recently, I think it IS in peoples interest to build for more boost, before you boost more. Im glad you guys can boost over 12 PSI every day, and not crap your motor.

I do have a favor to ask tohugh, lets see your setups, and or your Boost gauges in action via a video. That way, you will prove your right, and we all can boost 15 PSI, nd not have to worry about it.

I only run 12 PSI and have been for close to 31k miles. I don't really care if others believe me or not it's not like I am professing I can walk on water.

 

[low_psi]

Catless DP> 10psi w/ K&N filter

Just those mods done to each car and the MSP with only a DP was pulling past the 10psi MSP.

The first issue anyone should address with a MSP is cooling charge air temps and removing exhaust gases as quick as possible. Then more boost can come in.

 

[TiGrayMsp716]

^^^ Has a point. You'll see more power this way. By Relieving stress on the turbo (backpressure) and reducing the chance for detonation...

 

[Brian MP5T]

Catless DP> 10psi w/ K&N filter

Just those mods done to each car and the MSP with only a DP was pulling past the 10psi MSP.

The first issue anyone should address with a MSP is cooling charge air temps and removing exhaust gases as quick as possible. Then more boost can come in.

Cheap, Simple and easy. I like it. Should be a start for anyone who wants to mod the MSP or any turbo'ed car for that matter.

Later...Brian

 

[t3ase]

Brian MP5T is correct. You DO need internals if you want to get extremely boost happy. Either that or a full management system to override the bad ass tuning that exists on the car.

 

[BremertonMSP]

Catless DP> 10psi w/ K&N filter

Just those mods done to each car and the MSP with only a DP was pulling past the 10psi MSP.

The first issue anyone should address with a MSP is cooling charge air temps and removing exhaust gases as quick as possible. Then more boost can come in.

Hmm, I have all three, Catless DP, 10psi, and a K&N filter. By that theory, my car must be really fast!! J/K

The K&N did very little for performance. The DP made quite a bit of difference in spool up time. The car felt much quicker off the line when boost started to kick in. The 10psi made if feel like it was pulling so much harder through the gears.

I'm similar to Yashooa, in that I don't drive my car hard all the time. I like to do some spirited driving, but I don't spend much time at 10psi.

 

[Eric-BlackMSP]

Woah, go to sleep for a day and look what you miss!

I think the thread has gotton back on track for the most part.

Everyone is giving good advice and sharing which is what the post was meant for.

I didnt want to "Scare" people from over boosting the msp. Just wanted to give them a heads up. Discreet and Yazhoo are 2 good guys that have some very fast MSPs, however I think it should be noted that they have mods done to ther car other then a MBC. And as Yazhoo stated, he doesnt drive hard all the time, and rarely stays at 10psi. Discreet also made similar posts. Which is great, but I think some other people are missing that.

I know the MSPs motor is not as weak as most think, but it is also not as strong as most think. However, with the basic mods and good driving habits fun can be had by all.

Great posts everyone, no hard feelings were exchanged I'm sure.

-Eric

 

[tddelsol]

allright this is dumb fmic cools intake charge=more hp
cai cools intake charge=more hp
new down pipe allows exhust to excape fasteer=more hp
more hp = more stress on the engine
how the **** does this keep u from blowing a motor the only things on your list that help prevent engine damage are colder plugs and high octane gas

 

[t3ase]

allright this is dumb fmic cools intake charge=more hp
cai cools intake charge=more hp
new down pipe allows exhust to excape fasteer=more hp
more hp = more stress on the engine
how the **** does this keep u from blowing a motor the only things on your list that help prevent engine damage are colder plugs and high octane gas

who is this directed towards?

 

[tddelsol]

the fact that it took 10 mins to read this whole post and im dumber because of it

 

[t3ase]

the fact that it took 10 mins to read this whole post and im dumber because of it

then that doesn't say much for your intelligence. there's some good knowledge here, you just have to understand it.

 

[tddelsol]

true im still adjusting to the whole new direction of the post but i guess a few blown motors will change alot hell it scared the piss out of me at first

 

[t3ase]

true im still adjusting to the whole new direction of the post but i guess a few blown motors will change alot hell it scared the piss out of me at first

use periods, please.

 

[tddelsol]

hey t3ase do u autox and where i live in killeen and have been thinking about trying it out.

 

[t3ase]

season hasn't started here yet.

www.spokes.org

 

[yashooa]

Hmm, I have all three, Catless DP, 10psi, and a K&N filter. By that theory, my car must be really fast!! J/K

The K&N did very little for performance. The DP made quite a bit of difference in spool up time. The car felt much quicker off the line when boost started to kick in. The 10psi made if feel like it was pulling so much harder through the gears.

I'm similar to Yashooa, in that I don't drive my car hard all the time. I like to do some spirited driving, but I don't spend much time at 10psi.

What he's trying to say is WE ARE OLD
Yes it's true I only get on it a few times a day and normally just to mix into traffic. I dont really drive my car hard too hard just in more of a back roads barnstormer kind of way. Relaxed and easy, pulling hard into the corners enjoying every bit of usable sub 6000RPM power we have along with the subtle nuisances communicated back to me through the perfectly weighted steering wheel and well balanced chassis.
This car is a driver's car. A true road car that loves to drive in the way the builders intended.
It can be coxed into doing other things but is difficult to do so.

 

[DiscreetSpeed]

allright this is dumb fmic cools intake charge=more hp
cai cools intake charge=more hp
new down pipe allows exhust to excape fasteer=more hp
more hp = more stress on the engine
how the **** does this keep u from blowing a motor the only things on your list that help prevent engine damage are colder plugs and high octane gas

how much stress would be on the motor if you were just pumpin up the juice without any of these mods....i would think twice as much.

 

[tddelsol]

no i dont think so. because uping the boost alone would not give you the hp gains of uping the boost with theese mods. and more hp = more stress on the motor

 

[low_psi]

these motors aren't dying from power stress. they are dying because of detonation, the result of lots of boost and little tuning.

don't even tell me an FS-DE can't handle 10psi of boost from a t25 safely.